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Gutsy Mom Takes on PRS’s Bad Business Practices

By on January 7, 2013

Thanks to our friends at the Eye On The Paranormal by Kirby Robinson  we are kept up to date on the latest paranormal scams and this one is huge!

When will they figure it out, we are always watching…

by Kirby Robinson

Eye On The Paranormal

 

What does writing bad checks and/or taking people’s money and not refunding it due to a cancelled paranormal event have to do with paranormal investigating? Well, we at the Eye on the Paranormal know that PRS, Ryan Buell, Sergey Poberezhny and any number of fake ghost hunters, exorcists, priests, psychics and other paranormal investigators are more interested in fame and fortune. These paranormal fakers and lowlifes trick others into giving them money. Unfortunately, once they have the money, PRS guards it like Fort Knox. Neither Goldfinger nor his sidekick Odd Job would have a chance of getting it back.
But one gutsy lady by the name of Susan Grace is not going to take it and is fighting back for what is right and good. We’re posting a link to he her detailed account on the Ripoff Report.
Just a few quick notes:
PRS had an office near Penn State that has been closed for years. PRS never made any effort to inform the public of this fact.

The office in Raleigh, NC is an apartment not an office or a business location. Thanks to Ms Susan Grace for the good report, the public has a right to know the truth about these fakers.  http://www.ripoffreport.com/paranormal-research/entertainers/raleigh-nc-north-carolina-1674b.htm

 

 **UPDATES**

**UPDATES**

It seems Susan Grace is under attack at the Paranormal State Forums with Ryan & Serge(possible forum name “White Russian”?) leading the way, folks this is what happens when a cult forms and anyone dare question the self- appointed pompous ass in charge.

Reading through the thread I could not help but notice the die-hard fans who yip at Ryan’s feet begging for any acknowledgement and agreeing with whatever he says. The funny (and pitiful) thing is he and the others just talk right over them as if they were ignoring a petulant child..

The ripoff report comments Pro- PRS almost match word for word the forum thread, not hard to figure out who wrote what, I think they swim in very shallow gene pools. but just in case they shut it down we took screenshots. ;)

<b>Posted below..btw Chip Coffee has a bigger bitch posse than Ryan I counted maybe 4 die hard fans supporting him at his own place!</b> in fact I think they are so small and broke that this is a sideshow for the very few remaining fans..

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14 Comments

  1. -GodOfWar-

    January 8, 2013 at 1:02 am

    Holy crap this sounds like it may be worse than that TAPSCON debacle a few years back …I haven’t read it all yet but there are a lot of consumer comments at Rip Off Report starting to add up ….

    -GoW-

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    • Michonne

      January 8, 2013 at 1:59 am

      This is going to be much bigger than TAPSCON, keeps getting deeper and more are coming forward every minute :shock:

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  2. Aanica

    January 8, 2013 at 2:03 am

    Excellent work Kirby!

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    • Michonne

      January 8, 2013 at 8:30 pm

      ***UPDATE*** The shit is hitting the fan behind the scenes here and at the Eye, threats from the PRS camp they are “coming for us” OH NOOOO what shall we do.. :roll:

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  3. Kirby J Robinson

    January 8, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    I would love to have them come after the EYE ON THE PARANORMAL so we can show them all about what soldering on really means [ the new slogan for the EYE]

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  4. Justice

    January 9, 2013 at 12:01 am

    As a former supporter and Field Trip attendee to five field trips in a row plus an attendee to two other PRS events I can honestly say that I know PRS very well and know all too well of their unprofessionalism.
    I understood that the members of PRS was not as professional as some in their fields but I did and still do believe in Paranormal Research so I didn’t have a problem supporting this Society. Because of this I gave PRS chances to rectify their unprofessionalism which is why I went to more than one FT. However, I soon realized their professionalism was getting worse not better.
    One instance of this was in New Orleans during FT11. Ryan and Serge’s alcohol consumption was staggering. They were accepting drinks from both men and woman for hours at a bar on the Saturday night we were in the city. Needless to say this trip was not at all about the paranormal but instead about spirits of a different kind. First of all it is unprofessional to accept drinks secondly to do so when you are on the clock is absolutely unacceptable.
    A lot of my other experiences echo those that have spoken already. For instance, Ryan and Serge showed up late to events such as FT9 in West Virginia where they missed the entire first day. The crew didn’t have any answers as to why they were late or where they were. As a result the attendees were left in the extremely hot West Virginia heat to wait for instructions. Those instructions never came until later that evening.
    Another example of their lack of organization and unprofessionalism came during FT10 in Charleston, SC back in Nov. 2010. The city itself was great but once again the organization was kaotic at best. I had purchased a VIP ticket for this event simply because it was indicated that a dinner cruise would be included. This was something that, above everything else, I was looking forward too. But much to my disappointment, this dinner cruise was canceled by PRS just an hour or so before the dinner was scheduled. Instead we all gathered at a local pub for dinner. No apologies were given or any effort to rectify this very big error.
    Ryan also did not show up to the Reynolds Mansion Lockdown in May 2011. This was another instance that no explanation was given and no apologies made.
    Fortunately I stopped attending these events before it got as bad as it has in recent months. But because of how things have progressed I hope for everyone’s sake that our experiences can save other’s from being victimized.

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  5. Ripped off in Florida

    January 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    I am one of those waiting for a $600 refund for FT 15. I was told when we got back that I should expect my refund within 3-5 days! NOT! Then after numerous automated responses from PRS I finally rec’d an email on november 25th stating that I would not receive a refund yet until the new details of the new field trip were announced and that they had spent money on the cancelled FT. WTF? They didn’t even have a venue…or agenda. Not to mention the Demonology class debacle..the class that was supposed to be done in october 2011 and has yet to be finished but PRS had no issues taking my $100 for. when I posted something about it on the PRS University FB page I was attacked by Mr. Buell. They are the most unprofessional organization I have ever dealt with.

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  6. Aanica

    January 10, 2013 at 2:40 am

    I’m not sure who Mara is but she is one smart cookie. I took particular delight in this comment posted at Ripoff Report: #32 Consumer Comment. It’s good to see that people are not afraid of Ryan Buell and his cronies, not afraid to say what shouldn’t have to be said… they were ripped off, period.

    #32 Consumer Comment
    Simple as 1, 2, 3
    AUTHOR: Mara – (United States of America)

    SUBMITTED: Wednesday, January 09, 2013
    A couple of comments that I want to make:

    FIRST, it has been repeatedly stated that if you had a good time at a PRS event and are happy with the organization, that is wonderful. No one is denying that you are happy. But you are trying to use your satisfaction with your own experience to argue that people who are rightfully owed refunds should not have them. If you don’t immediately see why this is not helpful, consider that what you are saying is essentially the same as: If I buy a ticket for a Madonna concert that is canceled the day before the event, I should not be refunded because other people like Madonna. I hope you see why that is utterly nonsensical.

    Holly, you wonder why some people don’t want to post their names. That would be because in my own experience and in other people’s, certain PRS community members can become so overly zealous in “protecting” and “defending” PRS that things can quickly escalate to the point it legitimately creates true cyber-bullying and safety issues. I believe we are seeing some of that now.

    SECOND,

    “Fact: Susan Warren has never been owed anything by PRS. She has no legitimate reason to be upset at PRS.” Fact: Anyone can report crime, whether it be the victim or a witness, so your point is sort of lost on me. Regardless, she has legitimate cause to be upset because someone she cares about was caused a great deal of headache by the actions and inactions of the organization.

    “Fact: Her daughter, Carol, is over thirty years old. She is not a helpless girl. In fact, she received back all of her money that she spent for the field trip ticket.” Facts: (1) Ryan is over 30 years old, and he sends in – not one person – but multiple supporters to advocate for him. He confers with his legal counsel to advise and advocate for him… By your own logic, we are to conclude that Ryan is helpless because people help him. (2) Carol received her money back, but she and her mother still had an overall negative experience, and they are allowed to say so. Additionally, others are still owed money in various forms for various reasons, so her post opens up a much needed discussion on this topic.

    “Fact: Kirby Robinson is only involved in this matter because he has his own quack theories about the bible and paranormal investigations …” Fact: This discussion is open in a public platform, and it is open for any member of the public to participate in, regardless of how much you personally disagree with their theories on unrelated matters.

    “Fact: Susan Warren is on a vendetta that makes no sense.” This is not a fact; it is your opinion… and it makes no sense. If I witness questionable conduct, I speak up about it, not because it’s vindictive, but because it is socially responsible.

    THIRD, the issue of alcohol and drug use has been raised. I will point out that Ryan states rather plainly on his radio podcast show that he has struggled with an addiction to prescription pain medicine. As of late, whenever this is mentioned, he denies this struggle, but it’s still on a recorded interview that he said that it has been a problem for him. His half-brother, who has organized events on an internship basis, has drug possession charges on his criminal record, and his website administrator has DUI charges on hers, the most recent of which is currently scheduled for a criminal pre-trial on January 24th.

    Normally, I would say it’s irrelevent to this discussion and that I don’t have a problem with having a few drinks during a business dinner or what is really a social event for field trip/retreat attendees. But when attendees tell me that they are being driven during an event by a PRS staff member they describe to me as “stoned and drunk”, or they are forced to leave an event because the only place for them to sleep is in a common room with strangers who are visibly intoxicated, it does become a point of concern relevant to the issuance of refunds. No one should be denied a refund because they put their safety first and chose to leave a precarious situation

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  7. Count Malachi

    January 10, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    I just read a rebuttal to “Mara” at Rip Off Report by one of the pro-PRS dimwits and I am LMAO!

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    Quote “theonlysaneoneleft – Boston (United States of America)”

    “Perhaps an introverted look inside should be in your future to really see the true definition of the term.”
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    Don’t you mean “introspective look inside”? LOL

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  8. Michonne

    January 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Wow those PRS fans are really stupid! here is one of the major no-no’s to commit with new internet laws by a dimwitted attack dog of Ryan Buell’s, writing someones name in a public forum when this person has not used their name publicly (copying does not count)

    #38 Consumer Comment
    Hello Tammy!
    AUTHOR: Marsha Mellow – Detroit (USA)

    SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 10, 2013
    Tamara Gardner! You are a bit of a celebrity around here, you actually suing PRS and all.

    I should have recognized you. I’m sorry, dear.

    I think what theonlysaneoneleft is referring to is you is your comments about drug and alcohol abuse. Since you have never been at a PRS event, you would not know about any such thing.

    It would be like speculating on your long history of mental health problems. I’m sure you would not

    like your fellow students and professors at Concord Law School to speculate on your sanity.

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  9. Justice

    January 13, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    This statement was written at the ripoff report and I wanted to bring it to everyone’s attention.

    #60 Consumer Comment
    To stay on track….
    AUTHOR: Former Supporter – (United States of America)
    SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 13, 2013

    I previously wrote about how I felt PRS had become a pyramid scheme. Even though Ryan Buell and the other PRS members are well aware of this page and these issues as proved by their comments about this on their private forum, I see that no one from PRS has responded here.

    There is no accountability by Ryan or anyone else. The refunds that may happen because the police are now looking into it will be paid out of ticket sales for FUTURE events. Events that may not even occur or may be different from what is advertised.

    A pyramid schemes continues to work as long as the organization has enough income coming in to pay off bad debts. In this case in recent days, Ryan/PRS changed their mind about never hosting another field trip again because since the scope of their bad debts was made public they needed the level of money that only a larger FT (field trip) can provide. They also have a upcoming “camp” for March that others have spoken about. These events were likely planned to attempt to raise funds to pay off the outstanding refunds to keep the police and others at bay.

    If you purchase tickets NOW for a field trip in May (and maybe for the Camp in March), you won’t be able to get a refund from Paypal or your credit company as it would be outside of the normal 45-60 day window that you are able to file a claim.

    That means, even if you are the biggest PRS supporter ever going to the May FT, I would purchase my tickets no earlier than 45 days from the event date. I would also not book any PRS events or classes with Paypal as it doesn’t offer the same level of consumer protection.

    Purchasing tickets earlier than 45 days out, is a serious risk given PRS’ past issues with canceling, and altering events. Flights (if needed) will likely not increase enough to warrant the addition risk of purchasing a ticket earlier. If you are local to the even or will be driving, I would wait even closer–perhaps 2 weeks out, to make sure you have a clearer view of what the event will be.

    I would also require that the event payment page states who from PRS will be attending the event. That way if you are expecting Ryan Buell and he fails to show up, you have rights to receive a refund. Ryan failed to show up during at least one even well before he was sick but no refunds were issued. Other events have had promised PRS cast members not show up even when they were included in brochure photos for that event.

    Also, I would ask in advance what their policy is when promised events are adjusted or canceled. PRS FTs have a VERY long history of advertising one thing and delivering another.

    You should also make sure you know exactly what meals and/or lodging is included with the ticket price. Past events have promised meals that attendees were forced to pay for. Salem’s EE dinner being one example. More recently items that were covered in past FTs have been not included in the ticket price without warning.

    If prints or other keepsakes are promised, what is their policy when they are not delivered? I personally have many prints and other bonus items that were promised as part of the ticket price but never delivered. That has become very common with PRS events. I would like to see a 10% automatic refund if such items are not delivered by an agreed to date.

    If they cancel events/classes, even as a supporter, you should ask and receive a refund not a credit. Why? Because you have no legal rights in case a credit is unable to be used. If you purchased a ticket for FT 15, but want to go to future events, I would still request a refund now. Then if you later (within 45 days of the new event) purchase a ticket, you have more legal rights (including being able to do a credit card charge back).

    I repeat, there is no reason to pre-purchase tickets past 45 days out. None of the PRS FTs have sold out since mid 2010. PRS may claim there is limited tickets but not even the EE/VIP tickets normally sell out.

    If they claim they can’t plan an FT without a certain number of tickets sold, that too is wrong. Any events should be able to be planned and deposits placed by using existing funds. Selling tickets to raise funds for something you can’t deliver without XX tickets sold is fraud. They must be willing and able to run the event even if just one ticket sells. That is the risk they take when putting on such an event.

    PLEASE take a moment to consider this advice and warn others (not to scare anyone, but to be smart when booking any such events).

    – No purchases past 45 days out (with air travel)
    – No purchases past 14 days out (if you are driving)
    – No purchases paid using Paypal
    – Promises of certain talent being present (if you want to make sure the event includes someone)
    – Promises of exact events, policy if altered or canceled.
    – Promises of included meals and/or lodging, policy if altered or canceled.
    – Promises of included prints, bracelets, etc., policy if altered or canceled.
    – Event hosts should never require a certain amount of tickets sold by a certain date.

    Get it in writing before purchasing a ticket. If they are not willing to be clear about what you will get and when, stay away until they will be upfront and share their policies about changes.

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