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By RonTebo on December 24, 2012
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badpanda84
December 24, 2012 at 10:37 am
This is no big deal — Guns have been banned for a long time in Australia — this is nothing new..
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badpanda84
December 24, 2012 at 10:39 am
“”It is your RESPONSIBILITY to defend our bill of rights by choosing jail before disarmament, jail before censorship,”"”That is easy to say on youtube –but its just talk — no one is really going to choose jail before disarmament
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badpanda84
December 24, 2012 at 10:42 am
“”Despite all the long-term evidence showing gun control is a BAD thing, you refuse to accept it”"How many school shooting have occured in Australia (maybe 1 or 2 in the last 20 years)Now compare that to the number of shooting in the US.Take a look and the number of shooting in the US ( even over say the last 20 years) and compare them to Australia
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badpanda84
December 24, 2012 at 10:44 am
“”They had slowed down a lot but there are several drug and bikie related wars going on and there are gun deaths and injuries every week from them.”"But that is the big diffrence between Australian and the US..Gun death occur every day in the US — where as it only happend every week in Australia.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 10:44 am
So what part of the Constitution allows for the legalization of drugs? Or are you like the idiots who found the slaughter babies in a document that said nothing of the sort. Obviously you nothing but another drugged out hippy who thinks you know something that you don’t.. The funny thing is I don’t watch Fox News. I guess it is you that is highlighting ignorance
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 10:49 am
Makes sense to me. If you leave someone defenseless you are at fault when something bad happens to them.
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QuartuvLarry
December 24, 2012 at 10:52 am
Appropriate video. The freedom-haters don’t like the fact that those, who are willing and able to take responsibility for their own safety, are making them look like the lazy pieces of shit, who would rather wait for the police to come save them, that they truly are!
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outsidemendham
December 24, 2012 at 10:52 am
Kill the guns that kill us!!!
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 10:57 am
No one is paranoid. Do you know how retarded you guys sound equating gun ownership with fear? But then again if you can eliminate all evil and tyrannical government off this earth I will gladly disarm. Oh and acknowledging the history of Tyrannical governments and preparing against them is not fear either. It is intelligence
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OriginalTRaven
December 24, 2012 at 10:58 am
Not a problem. As long as you understand, that’s good.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 10:58 am
Are you another person who loves the make believe term assault weapons. A term that they are using on technology that has not changed in over a hundred years. A term that has to do with the look not the function of the gun.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 11:00 am
But murders with knives is ok, or clubs, or pipes, or gasoline killing people with anything other than guns is ok right?
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 11:01 am
Because we understand the world and you don’t?
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 11:05 am
What do you know about The US, what you are told second or third hand? Geesh yes you are an expert on a nation you have never been to. Do you know how retarded you sound talking politics to us who live here and are obviously quite up on the subject of our own country. Obviously your country sucks if you need to meddle in our business
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 11:07 am
No we are busy giving aid to about every nation out there. Then we get a bunch of crying from those nations. Stay disarmed or heavily regulated. Do not try to bring it to us.
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DreamBoulevard
December 24, 2012 at 11:16 am
Australia’s population is only the size of California so you cant compare to all of the US.. lets be honest if you took out the gang related gun deaths in the US to do with wars between gangs and gangs killing people over drugs the Gun Death figures wouldnt look that bad.. Its the same in Australia, most gun deaths are drug and gang related. It doesn’t normally effect regular people. The problem you have now is the US government arranging massacres so they can get automatic guns banned.
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Chris Louviere
December 24, 2012 at 11:21 am
I appreciate that that might be the case in Australia. But we are not Australia. In the US we had an assault weapons ban, and during it’s 10 years we still had mass shootings. Columbine, Atlanta, etc. Didn’t slow down one bit, much less stop. Statistics are what they are. And they can be manipulated. But we had our ban, and it failed. The next one will as well. I’ll remind you, it’s already against the law to kill people. But they die any way.
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MegaTruePatriot
December 24, 2012 at 11:21 am
ha ha if you are referring to my wal-mart comment I mearly stated that yes wal-mart does(atleast a few where I live) sell “assault weapons” or other legal weapons aside from pistols/shotguns. What I meant by some carrying semi-auto “assault weapons” I meant that guns such as the AR-15 are only available as semi-auto in some stores while other stores might sell “assault weapons” that are full-auto. I’m not sure why you called me an idiot for something so small as what you pointed out ha ha
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MrWmnHtr
December 24, 2012 at 11:28 am
There weren’t any children killed in Newtown. It couldn’t have happened because there were laws against having guns in schools zone. And there’s laws against shooting people. So it stands to reason that it never happened. It’s all just made up bullshit.
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gtrefghuk
December 24, 2012 at 11:29 am
I’d love to punch the shit out of the assholes that are running those chop saws.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 11:34 am
I may have mistook what you were trying to point out. I apologize. I do think that we need to educate people away from the “assault weapon” propaganda. If I decorate a fork in a scary fashion does it become an assault fork? But going by the definition of assault weapon the media uses. Your pellet gun if it looks scary too them is an assault weapon..
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Rick Cain
December 24, 2012 at 11:38 am
Well you could always come and live here in the USA, where we have 12,000 murders a year. heck in Oklahoma alone we had 179 murders this year!
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JohnnyWishbone85
December 24, 2012 at 11:50 am
Sled Driver, numb nutz. :-p
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MegaTruePatriot
December 24, 2012 at 11:53 am
I agree we do need to educate people, I also feel people from other countries should look at alot of what our founding fathers said that still ring true today one being “They who give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve niether liberty nor safety” – Benjamin Franklin
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I so agree. Anyone who wants a ban or regulation needs to understand that the 2nd amendment does not make that possible. People without training shooting guns is not the problem either. The kid that shot up the school was trained on the use of fire arms. Almost everyone who touches a gun has training. Regulation gives the government whom we are to defend against the right to say who can defend themselves. no thank you
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badpanda84
December 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Even if you take into account the population size.. the number of shooting per captia is still less that the US”"lets be honest if you took out the gang related gun deaths in the US to do with wars between gangs and gangs killing people over drugs the Gun Death figures wouldnt look that bad.. “”What about the school shooting as well
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badpanda84
December 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm
“”The problem you have now is the US government arranging massacres so they can get automatic guns banned.”"LOL are you seriously suggesting that the lastest school shooting is a goverment conspricy to ban automatic guns.
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bryanraleigh2
December 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Democratic progressives and liberals are the bringers of the most danger to the history of humanity.
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john1230
December 24, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I support gun-control: when there is a gun nearby, I want to be in control of it.
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John Rhodes
December 24, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I can’t believe you just showed this when the tragedy of 20 innocent school children! You cold get down on your knees & pray for the parents of the little ones that died!Get a conscience, or just shut up!
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Yep the liberal softness on crime in the US makes everyone less safe and only affirms that I need to have the tools to protect my family, friends and self. But you keep on blaming inanimate objects for hum an actions. I guess you blame the car for accidents not the driver.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Yep because if laws are one hundred percent effective the laws were in place. Seems to me laws have no meaning if there is nothing to enforce them. But hey put a gun free zone sign up. That also will end gun violence lol
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laurenandfamily1
December 24, 2012 at 1:05 pm
John rhodes that comment was rather un called for. The loss of the lives is a tragedy, but this was because of the government. Not adam lanza. You are the reason people are getting there liberties taken away from them. You refuse to listen untill its too late, but by then you will be fucked. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Its like saying spoons make people fat. Do i need to re educate your whole life for you?
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Firstname Lastname
December 24, 2012 at 1:06 pm
well your great second amendment has made it too easy for criminals to obtain firearms and ammo. Now every paranoid American needs a gun because they are scared. And you think thats the greatest Country in the World? lol
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Yes, I do. Of course government never get’s tyrannical right? And only guns kill?
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MegaTruePatriot
December 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm
ha ha you make oklahoma sound like one of the worst states in the U.S the only really bad part of Oklahoma is Tulsa which has a large gang problem, im sure you already know this but forgot to mention that Oklahoma is one of the safest states especially since people are more likely to not do anything due to the open carry laws and more responsible Oklahomans carry guns which I can almost gaurantee have keep the murders here in Oklahoma lower than most states
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MegaTruePatriot
December 24, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I question why people over in other countries trust there government and fellow man enough to not want a gun? there is crime everywhere and people in every country that have banned guns have made crime rise its a fact. and in other countries that do have strong gun control have criminals that can easily get guns. it doesnt matter how much restriction you put on something you will still have people who work there way around it.
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Ian Bland
December 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Lol moron. Im no expert on the constitution but I beleive it gives you the right to freedom of expression and to effectively do what you want if it doesnt effect other people. A persons right to consume what they want is covered. Google it if your so ignorant You will find an answer. You like to takee away peoples freedom to do what they want.. But you think you should be able to own a fucking RPG. You are very backwards and im GLAD you cant have an RPG
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Ian Bland
December 24, 2012 at 2:02 pm
LOl “Aid: as in money to fund the war on drugs/ Go start another war redneck.
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ThePandaBeat
December 24, 2012 at 2:21 pm
watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Well since you are not of this country I will just consider the source
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Redneck? No but then again you do not know anything about me. Willful ignorance must be grand. Once again since you would rather see our nation turned into a giant opium den I will consider the source.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 3:00 pm
In the US Automatic weapons are highly regulated, extremely expensive ($15,000+) and VERY difficult to acquire. They’re also extremely rare and have NEVER been used in any school shooting in America.
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Firstname Lastname
December 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I am all for firearms ownership by good law abiding citizens such as yourself. But you have to draw the line somewhere on what people should be allowed to own.
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danpoor1
December 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Why if they are not hurting anyone
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PandoraArmy
December 24, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Watch what happens when guns are lawful in USA. Nevermind, we’re fine, they dont feel much pain.
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elynn63ky
December 24, 2012 at 5:00 pm
You know that argument can go both ways right? Don’t we hate it when gun owners in general get blamed for a shooting spree?
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fieldcommandereyesin
December 24, 2012 at 5:20 pm
gun control is nothing but control, if you don’t have a gun you’re easy to control. politicians don’t have to care about fairness and justice with an unarmed population.
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AmetKhos
December 24, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I think guns are necessary evil. I am a strong proponent of gun control. I don’t want people not to be able to protect themselves in their homes, but you have to have a balance. One person should be able to have a hand gun or shotgun, hunting rifle in their home, but you don’t need an AK-47, or other semi automatic guns, it’s just too easy to kill groups of people with them.
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latasha66
December 24, 2012 at 5:42 pm
The NRA has a new member.
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AnHRTBus
December 24, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@AmetKhos what? are you referring to the 30 round “high capacity ‘clip’”? first off, that is the standard size for “assault” rifles, 60 round “banana” or drum mags are the high capacity. 2 they are called magazines, not clips. thirdly, whats the difference between 1, 30 round magazine and 3, 10 round magazines? ill tell you, a half second reload time. i swear people don’t think!
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AnHRTBus
December 24, 2012 at 6:41 pm
@AmetKhos second, have you ever hunted wild boar? they big, ferocious when enraged, and attack en masse. that 1 reason. but the main reason i have an ar15, are the reasons i cant think of, like say, a gang tries to break in to my home. slap the mag in, and i have 30 rounds of stopping power. that’s why we call it “stopping power.”
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Ted Notenoughlions
December 24, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Die to defend the right to kill. Brilliant.
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SlackerSlayer
December 24, 2012 at 7:30 pm
What are the stats of gun crimes in Switzerland where every home is mandated to have a military grade weapon, of the “assault” variety? I thought so, your propaganda is lame, weak, and worthless.Every totalitarian nations first move was to disarm the people. I bet the jews of WW2 Germany wished they fought before giving theirs up. So what are your plans and who are the disarmed people you wish to oppress and or kill?The anti gun grabbers actually are saying gun owners should be shot.
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SlackerSlayer
December 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm
The majority of “gun crimes” and deaths are directly due to the illegal prohibitions of other intoxicants, creating roving organized gangs.
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AmetKhos
December 24, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Wel, another fucktard that does not know what he is talking about.The reason Switzerland mandates that every adult citizen,except those with mental illness keep their weapons at home is because they are mandated to serve in the military and serve as militia.What is more,those guns are locked away and inspected constantly for unauthorized use.But it would hard to use them, since keeping ammo for them in their home is illegal. Duuuuuur
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AmetKhos
December 24, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Oh that last part you mentioned: that’s sad bro. How can you advocate against gun violence and talk about shooting people, that’s pure hypocrisy.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Yes, we should take the word of someone who is deeply moved by the swastika. lol
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 8:23 pm
You are absurd twisting the 2nd amendment by it calling the right to kill. But by reading your other posts you have no idea of anything you say anyway.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm
And of course I am sure you think the second amendment was about hunting or self defense. It is about defending against the government. If the government comes they will be using military grade weapons so it would be a good idea if we also have military grade weapons to defend ourselves.
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Love that!
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Warren Savage
December 24, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Crime u will never stop, I am from Australia, I have dont have a fear of being shot by some fucked up idiot, cops here seem less agresive to ones in the USA. I dont want to be riding on the freeway thinking if road rage starts, ,someone going to pull out a gun, I have family who lived in USA and keeped a gun in the car incase some one would try and shoot them. having guns in the USA has not stopped crimes shooting or death look at the latest 29 children shot dead
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telecomtech
December 24, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Well, What did you think was going to happen?
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AnHRTBus
December 24, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@Warren Savage those 29 children could have been bombed. or stabed. should we ban bleach chlorate and cutlery too? is that what you are suggesting. you live in Australia, do you still text and drive there? you know more deaths occur from highway fatalities than guns, should we ban cars?
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AmetKhos
December 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Billy, you’re a fine fella. But the 2nd amendment was drafted so that states could keep a militia, because in those days, what separated a common man from the army was, a few weeks of training.You see there is that matter of something called the Treason Clause, which states it’s treason to rebel against the federal government.They put that in at the same time. And if you really don’t believe me, I got a story about George Washington that would make your blood boil. Just ask.
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Bob Lee
December 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm
We need to pray to God, that our rights to defend ourselves is not infringed!
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm
“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”George MasonCo-author of the Second Amendmentduring Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788 I will take his word for it, he seems to know more than you
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William Spencer
December 24, 2012 at 8:50 pm
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”Thomas Jeffersonto James MadisonI will also take his word over yours.Your profile is adorned with a swastika the symbol of the most evil dictatorship in recent history, possibly of all history. The actions of the Nazis who you are honoring with that symbol is an example of why we need to be armed with military weapons.
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knlazar08
December 24, 2012 at 8:56 pm
I think you meant to say, Keeping them functional and loaded is MANDATORY! Duuurrr, you really should have known!
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AmetKhos
December 24, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Noooo… I meant what I said.The weapons are stored at home, but they are not allowed to have the ammo, it’s the law there, look it up.
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 7:47 am
Daily means 365 deaths per year. America has 35.000 per year.That’s almost 100 per day…This debate is very emotional. In the long run less guns less gun deaths.This video is partisan to gun owners… Citizens don’t need guns …
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AnHRTBus
December 25, 2012 at 7:47 am
@Bill C i agree, but I’m from the other end of the spectrum. retired army, currently employeed with the police department, i don’t see a difference. its how its used that matters. register it, train with it, and clean it and i have no problems ever. i don’t give pple shit for open carry, i just ask if its registered to them, and that they give me their name to verify.
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Billy Turner
December 25, 2012 at 7:54 am
how about the 20 that where stabbed in a class room in China4 hours before
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 8:14 am
What worked is what you believed. None of your guns can make you free now. You are screwed deep from your own government and amendment 2 will be of no help… You are owned…
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 8:20 am
Hooo really ? Disinformation is your job or what??? Look above…
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 8:26 am
Look at wiki : gun deaths in the world…UK is way down the list. The countries with most firearms deaths including good old USA who is in the top 10 of shooting frenzy… More guns = more deaths period…
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Raphial Lee
December 25, 2012 at 8:27 am
lol Obama needs to watch this
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Bill C
December 25, 2012 at 8:51 am
In 2009, accidental firearms death rate=0.2 (551 total). Accidental firearms death of children (0-14) totaled 48. But to make a fair comparison, what’s the estimated number of guns in the UK and the estimate rate of usage? Also note, the UK has more crime than the US: More Assaults, Bribery, Rapes and more drug offenses with 25% of people being crime victims (1/4) versus 20% (1/5) in the US. Home invasions (Hot burglaries in the UK) are higher in the UK by 87%. Sounds like USA is safer to me.
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2soonnow
December 25, 2012 at 8:51 am
You are way off base. 35,000 a year? Better check your sources.
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REGnut8
December 25, 2012 at 8:57 am
Why does the american media act like their freedom is at stake when its us who are getting screwed over
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Bill C
December 25, 2012 at 9:12 am
Fact: 99.997% of US firearms do not kill anyone. Fact: In ~92% of defensive uses the criminal aborts his crime when confronted with an armed victim. The Wright-Rossi survey of prison inmates found: 57% fear armed citizens more than police; 74% say they avoid occupied homes for fear of being shot; 40% said they were deterred because they thought the victim might be armed. Comparing the UK to the USA is misleading. UK reporting standards omit significant numbers of crimes.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 9:13 am
You are retarded if you believe that true. Stick to what is happening in your own country because you know nothing about the US.
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Bill C
December 25, 2012 at 9:16 am
Which makes it all the more important that we fight the system to retain our right to arms. If we are “screwed deep from the government” then it may be near the time to use those arms to oppose tyranny and he further loss of our liberty.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 9:17 am
Yes, because Nazi Germany never happened, Stalin Never Happened, Mao, never Happened, Pol Pot never happened. The 2nd Amendment is about our right to insure that never happens to us. You are an idiot!
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 9:18 am
Right. Google “gun deaths USA 2011″ More than 9.000 gun deaths in USA 49 gun deaths in UK (195 USA equivalent). True or not??? I counted suicides too, but it’s true that we don”t reach 35.000 gun deaths in the USA. Only about 20.000 a year. Not that it bothers me really , they say there are too many people on this planet…What are your sources on UK dear???
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 9:25 am
It’s much too late my friend. They will have no problem to crush an uprising in the egg…You are dreaming too… Even general Lee couldn’t help you. You should have learned about that from Eisenhower, 15 january 1961 speech, but you did not… You are steamed and cooked deep… But you can still trust your government… What else can you do?
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 9:25 am
I know more about the US than you do. You are daydreaming completely.
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2passnthru2
December 25, 2012 at 9:29 am
THE CAUSE OF MASS SHOOTING IS BAD, DEADLY PHARMACEUTICALS.. SEARCH IT HERE AT YOUTUBE.. THERE IS LOTS OF INFO.. MEDIA HAS A TABOO ON THE TRUTH ABOUT PHARMA.. ALL THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS THE KILLERS WERE ON LEGAL PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS THAT MADE THEM INSANE.!!
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 9:29 am
Wishful thinking. It is happening to you for 40 years now and more these last ten years. But it’s painless as were all the other dictatorships you mention. Most people went along at first…Until…. The Turning point is near… What are your plans???
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 9:32 am
I was born here to a military family. My lineage has been traced to the Mayflower. I am a US Citizen do you really want to make such ignorant statements like that? That would be like me saying I know Belgium more than you. Though I have been there and Germany, France and England. I would never be so stupid as ro claim I know more about them than their citizens. Statements like that are completely idiotic.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 9:35 am
I know both military personnel and police officers who will refuse in helping confiscate our weapons and will more than likely join the fight on our side? To go after our weapons is to start another civil war. It is the difference between being free and being ruled!
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GunOwnerDan
December 25, 2012 at 9:39 am
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 9:39 am
You are an idiot! Completely off your rocker. Like I said stick to what you know, your own country because you have nothing worth saying if you believe Nazi Germany was painless or the other dictatorships that slaughtered millions.
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GunOwnerDan
December 25, 2012 at 9:40 am
“Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms.”- Aristotle(384-322 B.C.)
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 9:47 am
You seem to have the impression that Obama has the ability to learn or even think. His strings are pulled by George Soros. The guy can’t even talk without a script.
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nexus1g
December 25, 2012 at 10:34 am
“Those who would give up a little personal liberty for a measure of security deserve neither and will lose both.” -Benjamin Franklin
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nexus1g
December 25, 2012 at 10:39 am
America has about 9,000 criminal gun deaths a year. The FBI estimates that the presence of guns saves 2,000,000 lives a year. That’s a bit unbalanced.
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nexus1g
December 25, 2012 at 10:40 am
Less guns does not mean less gun deaths. A happy society means less criminal gun deaths. Barring that, not being a fish in a barrel ready to be shot with no defense is another good way to prevent criminal gun deaths.
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rdkater
December 25, 2012 at 11:07 am
governments tad outlaw guns are them self not to be correct they mostly are thieves en corrupt a criminal will think twice before he enters you’re home if you have a gun to present him en all the bullets he can eat.
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Henry Meguess
December 25, 2012 at 11:07 am
wow you can bet the criminals were 1st in line to turn in their guns….
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 11:14 am
Knowledge is not hereditary. Many scholars or better educated people know more about some countries than their citizens who are as biased as you are. You base your rebuttal on ad hominem arguments; and do not address the issues.I am asking what are your plans if you feel your government is betraying you. Do you really think a civilian militia would hold an hour in front of well trained marines? I don’t think so. Keeping citizens armed to the teeth with guns is ludicrous. Prove me wrong.
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knlazar08
December 25, 2012 at 11:15 am
I think i found the source of the confusionThe swiss can purchase all the ammo they want, keep as much as they feel they need, but it is the ammo purchased at the range, that must be used at the range. That is not a “no ammo at home” restriction, it is because the ammo at the range is govt subsidized, and thus artificially CHEAP. this is so because the swiss govt pays most of the cost in order that the people will PRACTICE, as opposed to simply shooting a few rounds and hoarding the rest.
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Sylvertiger3
December 25, 2012 at 11:16 am
Funny how its all pro-arms people speaking
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rdkater
December 25, 2012 at 11:18 am
guns get taken out of the citizens there hand by governments who are them self not correct.
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 11:20 am
Of course if you are ruled by the NRA your arguments make perfect sense which seems to be the case. I don’t think that if serious civilian rebellion would occur that the military and police would be on your side.Desertion is dealt with very efficiently in case of (civil) war. You may be free to get a tattoo and wear skinhead, but that’s just about the end of your illusions…
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 11:28 am
Could you elaborate on this !!!??? How did the FBI figure this out??? Sources???2 million lives a year… Jeez. Sell more guns and gin quickly.
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MegaTruePatriot
December 25, 2012 at 11:37 am
Thats a ridiculous question/statement and you know it! A child is not of the mental state of an adult to carry something like a gun.I do believe that once of legal age (because there is a legal age to carry/own guns here fyi) and of mental capacity an individual has a right to own a gun. And are you saying you would support children up in Canada carrying guns to school to solve an issue that is often neglected by teachers/schools?
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nexus1g
December 25, 2012 at 11:39 am
Sorry, the DOJ states 1.5 million times a year a gun is used in defense. Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist claimed 2 million. The National Crime Victimization survey shows just over 100,000. No matter the number, it heavily outweighs the 9,000 criminal deaths.
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knlazar08
December 25, 2012 at 11:50 am
“Reservists are encouraged to buy military ammunition (7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols, which is sold at cost by the government, for target practice Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to no sales controls. Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale. “-gunciteDOTcom/swissgun-kopel.html
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knlazar08
December 25, 2012 at 11:52 am
“Most types of ammunition are available for commercial sale, including full metal jacket bullet calibres for military-issue weapons; hollow point rounds are only permitted for hunters. Ammunition sales are registered only at the point of sale by recording the buyer’s name in a bound book.[citation needed]“- wikipedia, the part about hollow points is INCORRECT. [citation INDEED NEEDED]-
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knlazar08
December 25, 2012 at 11:55 am
“Switzerland is anything but “dull.” By car or train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right past the police station and no one bats an eye.”- theblessingsoflibertyDOTcom
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knlazar08
December 25, 2012 at 11:56 am
Are you willing to call the basic research complete yet? There is lots, lots more…
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm
It is stupid to put yourself at the mercy of any government. All governments are armed citizens away form tyranny. Anyone coming after my weapons better learn to dodge bullets. I would rather die than be a subject. Armed people are citizens unarmed people are subjects. But to think that dictatorships that slaughtered millions were painless. Makes you a sick and worthless individual. You are not worth my time.
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Do not fain to not understand what I mean when I say painless.What I meant is that the Germans adhered to Hitler (more than 90% of them) all the way to the war and beyond. It was painless for them at first and they thought they were the best nation in the world, better organized and defiant. Sounds a bell? You are now on the same tracks. I hope you won’t have to live through your fantasy, fantassin. (foot soldier).I don’t believe you have a private Air Force.
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danpoor1
December 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Why prohibit a law abiding citizen from owning something? Your argument is that it may fall into the wrong hands? Well if you didn’t know they are already in the wrong hands. Mexican drug cartels are armed with Mortars, RPG’s, fully automatic machine guns. They didn’t get them from Home owners or over the counter. The idea that criminals wont have firearms if law abiding citizens don’t have them is preposterous.
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Ronald Zerr
December 25, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Australians aren’t safe in their homes! Is Chicago and DC safe? 500 deaths a year from gangs. Disaster caused by one disturbed individual influenced needs to be addressed. Godless culture in school and movies accepts no responsibility for this horrible event.
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Lois Hamilton
December 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Assault weapons with high capacity ammunition clips, that are made for one thing only, should never have been sold to people on the streets of any country. Even the majority of NRA members agree with this. People who are insane and “over the edge” angry are too likely to get one of these weapons and kill large numbers of innocent people. This is a sensible solution to the mass murders that are becoming too frequent in America.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 12:52 pm
To die in a failed attempt to beat down tyranny is better than to follow into chains. I trust that there are enough patriots to make a great stab at victory.. To die free is better than even peaceful slavery.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Yea, it is obvious you have no understanding of what you are talking about. Maybe you need to not only study the second amendment but what the founders said about it. The 2nd is not about hunting or protection against criminals. It is about protection against the government who uses military grade weapons. Therefore we also are to have military grade weapons. Oh and in the latest shooting the semi-automatic that you call an assault weapon was not used. It was found in the trunk of the car.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 1:11 pm
In the case of a gun ban, I am sure that those who are stabbed to death will be thankful that guns are banned. lol
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AnHRTBus
December 25, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@Lois Hamilton they are called magazines, not clips. 30 round magazines are the standard size for all assualt rifles. a 60 “banana” “clip” or drum magazine is high capacity. do you know what the difference is between a 30 round “clip” and three 10 round magazines? about half a second reload time. guns arent one time use only, you can RELOAD them. so how is that a sensible solution? it just proves you didn’t think before proposing it.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 5:07 pm
You and I are not going to agree. I will not change your mind and you have no chance of changing mind. I have no inclination wasting my time with someone I lose respect for each time you send a message. The idea anarchy is freedom is absurd. I grew up atheist. I found it lacking.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Amen!
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm
America backed and armed Hitler for a very long time (Bush & Co.) and Lindbergh the hero was a true nazi. It took the wisdom, foresight and courage of Franklin Delano Roosevelt (a jew?) to bring the USA to crush Germany. Europe has paid back and more all of the Marshall plan which got the western countries economy back on track, including America. You can’t just rewrite history simplistically as you please. It is the great depression and the stupid Versailles treaty that brought Hitler to power
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 5:16 pm
You lack common sense and logic. You make your self sound more ignorant with each post. guns are inanimate objects. The are not good or bad. I realize you are a leftist idiot. You seem proud of the fact otherwise you wouldn’t display it so prominently.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Glad to know that there are still thinking people out there. Have a Merry Christmas!
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peacechild61
December 25, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Okay…so what sort of government do youchoose to live under? there are only THREE kinds to this present time. COMMUNIST, DEMOCRATIC. ISLAMICLets deal with COMMUNIST: freedom of speech, thought,religion, government,NIL! DEMOCRATIC: freedom of speech, thought,religion,government,EMBRACES ALL FOUR ! ISLAMIC:.freedom of speech, thought religion, government, NONE! so which one is your preference? No governments are perfect, but we live in the real world. not yours! so which one is YOUR choice?
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Bill C
December 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm
No dodging the question Ted. Give it a whirl and let’s see what you come up with.
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GwaapGuttaMusic
December 25, 2012 at 5:40 pm
will it be hard for all of us americans to share this on our facebook,and twitter accounts? well this if we believe in liberty.i dont understand how all we do is complain,but cant do something as easy as spreading a message,for what you believe in..
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Marie Chantal
December 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm
You talk like a rough redneck. Not much subtlety in your coarse world that you qualify as “real”. There are many more forms of governments possible. Of course, democratic with separation of state and religion is what we have in Europe and it works rather well. Economically you want to associate the 2 human driving forces which are selfishness and solidarity with proper referees for the game to be played fairly. That means reducing corruption, cheating, trafficking and crime. More tomorrow…
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Bill C
December 25, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Exactly. In those same 44 years, we’ve had an increasing amount of gun control and an increasing amount of crime. Coincidence? Maybe. Crime has slowly been dropping since 1991 on its own.
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doctim111
December 25, 2012 at 6:09 pm
How many criminals turned in their guns?
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Well keep your European ideas in Europe. We don’t need them in the States. Nor you particular philosophy. You come off as a left wing lunatic. Another worthless hippy who thinks she knows everything, News flash you don’t. I don’t claim to either. I am smart enough not to think I am an expert on a nation I don’t live in. Stick to you leftist books. I am sure you will amaze the other hippies.
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Bill C
December 25, 2012 at 6:01 pm
The 2011 FBI crime report shows only 8583 firearm homicides. Add to that, 1072 accidental deaths of all types with firearms, and 19,766 suicides. When discussing crime, suicide figures don’t count as that is a psycho-sociological problem not a legislative one. That 35,000 figure you stated is actually, 29,422 (still too high) but that’s 81/day or 6935 less. If we remove the suicides the figure is 9655 or only 26 a day. That’s a big difference.
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William Spencer
December 25, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Is there is anything we are not going to blame Bush for. Let us see do you think Bush fell Rome? Is he the reason in your mind the dinosaurs disappeared. You cannot hang all of the world’s problems on Bush. Roosevelt was an idiot. The only I do agree with him on is his handling of WW2. I agree with you on the Treaty of Versailles. However, I do not think you are a leading expert on the whole world. You read a few books. Congrats, others have also. Your a legend in your own mind.
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Squidy8606
December 25, 2012 at 6:32 pm
@doctim111 exactly! If they try something similar in the states it won’t do shit to stop crime. Only the people who follow the law will be effected.
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free00to00ryhme
December 25, 2012 at 6:39 pm
gun bans causes gun deaths to rise you fool. you think it will make everything better over here? didnt you watch the video? every country that has had a ban on guns, saw gun deaths rise up to 40% in countries like Britain. the problem isnt the gun. its the the type of death obsessed society we live in. if parents allow their 12 yr old kids play a game like GTA4 which simulates a criminal life. what do they think they are going to admire?
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free00to00ryhme
December 25, 2012 at 6:42 pm
McDonalds kills more people per year via food poisoning and diabetes. they also contribute to increasing the obesity rate in the US and anywhere it springs up. no Ban on McDonald. why? because of Special Interest. i will keep my right to, keep and bear arms. my freedom isnt worth any false promise of increased security, “Those who give up their freedom for security shall receive neither, nor deserves neither.” Thomas Jefferson
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derrikq1
December 25, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Home invasion… how about anyone who fucking enters your house, without your permission..
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AnHRTBus
December 25, 2012 at 7:37 pm
@Marie Chantal well now, your not typing in french, nor are you french. en francias sil-vous plait? if you are going to blame it on another language, why didn’t you spell it in arabic then? because you misspelled it, just admit it. besides, with “english” being the “standard” language, you might as well use it, and not french. or should i speak in romas, since those are the derivitive of the letters both french and english use? smh, yeah i speak 5 languages, keep trying buddy.
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3ow0en3
December 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm
see dont give your guns or you wont have rights to protect against the nwo
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Don May
December 25, 2012 at 8:09 pm
this makes me sick
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Josh Venie
December 25, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Which is easier for a predator to take down: armed or unarmed prey?
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LegendarySayayin
December 25, 2012 at 8:59 pm
The bureocratic idiots don’t add the black market as a factor into their quasi-laws they ‘help’ make.
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AnHRTBus
December 25, 2012 at 9:30 pm
@Josh Venie trick question, the predator doesn’t hunt unarmed prey. lol
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Jt1nm4n
December 25, 2012 at 9:31 pm
It’s sad that with all the facts from other countries people in the US still think more gun laws keeps them safe. I see gun laws as an infringment and unconstitutional.
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MegaTruePatriot
December 26, 2012 at 1:39 am
How is that wishful thinking in any way shape or form? Its fact that mass murders by governments dont happen in countries that have an armed population with the ability to defend themselves from tyranical governments/radical factions.
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AnHRTBus
December 26, 2012 at 1:43 am
@MegaTruePatriot what? i child cant understand how to use a gun? yeah, that’s why there are national compitions for the age group 12 and under. and they shoot better than most adults i know.. that’s why when i was 9 i went hunting, and my father explained to me EXACTLY what it means when you fire the weapon. he also taught me howto gut, clean and prepare the venison,. age has nothing to do with maturity, or mental capacity. there are no silly questions, only silly answers.
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Bill C
December 26, 2012 at 2:53 am
We don’t need to hold an hour against Marines. If only 10% actively rebel, that’s an army of around 30 million men, many ex-military. On the government side, they’d have maybe 2-3 million, not all of whom can be in combat (cooks, clerks…) 10:1 odds. Armor? Aircraft? There won’t be enough. Supplies move via civilian trucks/trains, some manned by supporters. Some disappear, some damaged in “accidents”. Plus lots of ways to cripple gov’t w/o direct combat.
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superbert35
December 26, 2012 at 4:21 am
break into my home when im there,and ill kill you without hesitation.
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Hallow334
December 26, 2012 at 4:56 am
This is the mentality of the blOwbama administration. Lets make every US citizen helpless and unable to defend themselves.
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packhorse29
December 26, 2012 at 5:07 am
Bill C, your comment about members of the military who “can’t” take part in combat is wrong. Every single person in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard, whether they are active duty, reserve or National Guard, are first and foremost soldiers. Their MOS is just a “hobby”. Every service member qualifies with at least one weapon.
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Marie Chantal
December 26, 2012 at 5:29 am
ONLY 26 a day !!! Nice score I must admit. Britain has less than one a day. No guns there though… By the way more than 2 people out of 3 get shot by “friends, colleagues and relatives”, not by unknown criminals. But I think most people here just like guns pathologically and couldn’t live without them. Plain truth… They’ll find any reason to keep them no matter what the cost to life is…
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Marie Chantal
December 26, 2012 at 5:33 am
Sure, good plan. Good luck too… Time is here…
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Bill C
December 26, 2012 at 6:20 am
26 a day – less than vehicle accidents (102), “other” accidental deaths (234), falls (73), accidental poisonings (91), non-firearm suicides (155) — a total of 657 people a day, ~240,000 a year. Cancer & Heart disease claim over 1M per year. At 1/4 the car deaths and 1/3 of falls, gun homicides are well down the list of priorities. The stat about friends/relatives is misleading. It is really if the victim was acquainted w/killer – like drug dealer & junkie, no blood relations/friendship needed.
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Bill C
December 26, 2012 at 6:34 am
“I think most people here just like guns pathologically”. Actually, No. A survey in the late 80′s tells us 87% of gun owners own them for practical uses (self-defense, hunting), 10% strictly for target or recreational shooting and 3% for other reasons. Overall, 69% ascribe to the “fight against tyranny” concept and 13% did not, others were undecided. “Cost to life” assumes cost-justification. What is the cost of lost liberty – to live under an oppressive tyrant like Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin?
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Low760
December 26, 2012 at 6:48 am
What a load of sh!t, You can still own a hand-gun, just not semi-automatics and shotguns. There’s lots of other factors behind this sort of things to happen.
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Marie Chantal
December 26, 2012 at 7:04 am
Sure, I understand, Bill C very good point. Wrong debate really. Keep shootin’ and dyin’ the planet needs it. And indeed nowadays friends/relatives are mostly drug dealers and junkies anyway.You are on the right track keep buying FN Herstal rifles.Oooh!!! Yes I am Belgian and proud of our arms factories and know how. All others are copy cats. Rob, rape, shoot, let’s have a ball.We gotta die anyway, so let’s make it festive. Happy New Year with more NRA customers and better gun score.
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Marie Chantal
December 26, 2012 at 7:26 am
That is a fact. Stop war against guns and fat and war of course. The planet needs it. Die it’s cheaper than living miserably.
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603dougie603
December 26, 2012 at 7:55 am
@Bill C you are so right, if people would only open their eyes. This is exactly why governments want a ban, because they realize the people could overthrow effortlessly if we are armed. Take away firearms and ban now its just them shooting fish in a barrel.
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Bill C
December 26, 2012 at 8:45 am
Sadly, some of our crime stats can be misleading. Knowing how is important. So too the UK which tends to downgrade the severity of many crimes. In truth, American crime is finally getting as low as it was in 1969. Safer here overall than the U.K. My objection is people like you would deprive my 82 y/o mother of her Hi-Power and make her live in fear of strangers. Citizens own guns. Subjects, serfs and slaves do not. FN products are good, but I’m really a revolver guy.
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aronf
December 26, 2012 at 9:08 am
I don’t really like guns, they can make problems but they can also save lives. America must watch out and stand up for they’r rights, criminals can always get guns.
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December 26, 2012 at 9:36 am
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CeeKayz0rz
December 26, 2012 at 10:08 am
It can’t happen to me; I’ll be DEAD before I surrender my firearms. Further, I absolutely REFUSE to have any part of the enforcement of such a law.
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John Harbert
December 26, 2012 at 10:15 am
They will not take our guns! We as law abiding citizens will soon become outlaws if they think they can take our guns. I will not be a victim!
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terrypussypower
December 26, 2012 at 10:39 am
I live in the UK. I would NOT want to see guns available to every citizen over here. We have a largely unarmed police force and are the better for it. Gun crime is a relative rarity in my country. However, if I was living in the US I think it would be irresponsible NOT to carry a gun. The situation is too far gone to go to a non-armed citizenry. You must be allowed to defend yourself when all the crooks are armed. That’s a no-brainer
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Firstname Lastname
December 26, 2012 at 11:06 am
Many people in America do not have the mental capacity to understand how to use a gun. That’s the whole problem with your Country. The 2nd Amendment allows anyone to own a gun and not be accountable.
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nickf223
December 26, 2012 at 11:12 am
Thats ignorant firstname there are hundreds of millions of firearms here and hundreds of millions of gun owners so id say the ratio is pretty good for legal gun owners to gun deaths
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Matt Hanson
December 26, 2012 at 11:12 am
Well that’s brilliant. Spoken like a true scholar. How can you speak about things going on in a country you don’t live in? I own numerous firearms and guess what? I’ve only used them responsibly. Here is what you don’t understand. With RIGHTS come RESPONSIBILITIES. When a nation becomes irresponsible then the gov’t is forced to take away their rights. People like yourself just hand your rights over…….but that’s ok. Some people can’t handle rights and freedom.
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Matt Hanson
December 26, 2012 at 11:15 am
Oh yeah? How about the UK now wanting to ban the carrying of knives? You Europians will never get it. A gun is merely a tool. You can’t cure “evil intent.” “All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.” You of all people should know that quote! They take away guns and knive violence goes up 60% Now they want to ban knives. What’s next? Bricks? Can guns be used to commit violence? Yes. Can guns be used to prevent it? Absolutely.
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Matt Hanson
December 26, 2012 at 11:17 am
Here in the United States we understand that with individual rights come individual responsibilities. We also understand that we should be holding the individual responsible instead of the tool he uses to commit a crime. We don’t do things here for the “collective” good. I should not be penalized for the actions of another individual. I own guns and have never used them in any manner other then responsibly.
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MI37
December 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm
“The first thing you have to do is disarm the people. A disarmed public can’t fight back”
– Adolf Hitler
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