No clue.

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I can assure you I will never pay 100.00 or even 1.00 to go back up there,Just doesn’t seem right right to charge someone to go in there..as far as the video well I have seen a photos but never a ghost pogo! lol…

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@Aanica: Arghhh I forgot I could edit! lol…I meant to say I have seen A LOT of ghost/demon photos but never a pogo ghost…:)

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Mnay say the place is over rated and although I have never been there I would NEVER spend $100 to see a dump.

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After very careful Very review of the tape, and using frame by frame Annalise, It seems to me that the film has been doctored. It is an old trick used by photographers in three different ways one by using the the same camera marked in the same spot,at two different times. or a object on a clear screen, played over the original tape, then re-taped to make an original tape. the third is a plate of glass in front of the camera using a object behind the camera, to look like it comes out of the wall and then back in, there are signs that this was done by shadows that show in one frame and not another right after.

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@lew7rch:

Wow! Impressive and the explanation is great! I find it hard to believe the video is real and how convenient to chose a child’s pogo stick.

I may put the video (guts )on the server for download.

Again, great job.

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Oh that is not a mist that is a reflection behind the camera!

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@lew7rch:

I just sent you the guts to the video.

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I can prove that this is a fake! by using Split framing on the Video. Split framing is a process where you go between each frame where there may be more then three real frames between each frame shown on the Video. I can prove that there was a sheet of GLASS in front of the camera. and where the stick went to as it seemed to disappear.I have each frame and split frame written down. so I can show that this was faked. Thank you Ron

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It is not a pogo stick just a broom handle with white cloth or paper and black tape set in it to appear to be an object with sections missing in it. If you notice the object when coming out of the wall in frame 03 is coming out on an angle \and off the ground, then becomes straight | then seems to hop out of frame, but it doesn’t it stops where it is bright the between frame 18 and 20 goes by the camera but not straight in frame 20 you will see it angle down, between frame 23 you will see it come back up where it went down then the shadows come in and I will leave it there.

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@lew7rch:

Keep up the good work and I look forward to your final analysis.

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Where can we get the original? I’d like to analyze it as well.

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@admin: lol…that’s just what it is too..a dump~aka~cash money cow

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Dear Paranormal Investigators,
Deceiving the public helps build credibility for your field. Keep up the good work. VR

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I thought I heard somewhere that Waverly was being turned into a Bed and Breakfast. Any truth to that you can dig up?

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This is suspicious too! Let me know what everyone thinks. Click on photos for a larger view.

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Here’s the same hallway looking to opposite direction. Click on photo for a larger view.

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Don’t you people see? It’s a haunted dildo!

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@Disturycher:

Insert Britt Griffith joke here …

is that redundant?

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I have spoken to Britt several times and he is actually very funny and kind. I thought the dildo was funny and maybe there are too many uptight people!

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@admin:

The funny part was the fact that he couldn’t care less if kids that look(ed) up to him saw it

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@RonTebo: That is only one refection I found on the tape, there are several, but you have to do it frame by frame I have it written down when second they appeared. and it was only when the broom stick appeared.

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What second they apperaed sorry for the miss-spelling

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Fishing wire obviously, observe the ceiling and also the tracking of the object. It transverses the same direction parallel to the fixture on the ceiling which is either electrical conduit or water pipe possibly sprinkler. May not even be either may have been deliberately placed there in hopes no one observes there is some sort of fixture on the ceiling that clearly the object tracks parallel to. The dancing around is obviously the object dancing around on fishing wire. Does not take TV producers to point that one out folks!

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@GodOfWar:

It’s joke and people should relax. Ron is right ….the guy was showing his humorous side and honestly it was funny. Besides, the kids probably see/hear worse on the school bus! Have you sat at the back of the bus lately?

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dang it I was thinking fishing wire. Magic dildo..now that is funny!

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Guys are you dumb or wut this is a spider web nothing more.

seems like your not really good at debunking

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I think it’s funny and productive when role models play with dildos. VR

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@Victor:

OKAY! STOP with the dildo stuff …it’s old and boring.

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There’s no post processing necessary to achieve this effect. Just have a glass plate in front of the camera, and you hiding in dark space behind the camera with a light or some glowing object. Then move the light around. On film, you’ll only see the reflection of the light, while you are invisible.
This technique also explains why the stick hops like it was moved around by a (not so gifted) puppeteer. Because that’s in fact what is going on.

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@Roger:

Actually I would expect and adult that is supposed to serve as an example of how a processional PI teams should behave in the field to be held to higher standards than kids on a school bus, but hey that’s just me …

I was involved in this discussion with Britt directly when it was topical and it IS old news now, but he did finally concede that para celebs need to remember that the are often held in high esteem by youngsters that may want to mimic their behavior…that was my point all along…

back on topic ….

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Perhaps I should get on the school bus based on my apparent lack of proofreading skills (above)

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@wow guys:

Not sure I can honestly follow the spider web theory, unless you have some expertise in an “Arachnid” version of a Flea Circus and have been training acrobatic arachnids on the side.

Bottom line, just more hiatus nonsense from bored people that paid a lot of money to see something and got nothing so a little fishing wire and an old galvanized pipe becomes a paranormal slinky. The place is littered with junk, not surprised by the video, amusing at the least.

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@MARK CALE: “paranormal slinky”…Oh that is Priceless! LOL!

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To me it look like a stick to me IF IT LOOK LIKE A STICK SAY YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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I think maybe there could be many explanations but after a few screen shots to study from above it reminded me of something called a stick creature…it seems to have little legs running when it comes out of the room and if it is the case they are a very old creature and as someone put it
once “quite comical” so maybe it is one of the stick creatures..Waverly is next a lot of wooded areas and that’s the habitat of the stick creature that walks upright…here is a link to them you can decide..

http://www.pbase.com/lettuce76/image/118084841

http://www.pbase.com/lettuce76/image/118120399

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Not sure why you people think it is faked for god sake, it is a freaking spider web nothing more. Don’t knock yourselves out trying to debunk it!

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@Oh please!:

Let me guess you and your TAPS wannabe team would never waste time on such nonsense, right?

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@Oh please!: LOL your an idiot…

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Yeah he is!! LMAO!

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Listen I am not a TAPS fan so really you make no sense at all. Just because you could not figure it out there is no need to attack someone. I did not mean to burst your bubble. Sorry…Aanica…Oh please, give it a break why don’t you. You do not have to follow GOW every move, it looks pitiful.

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@Oh please!:

She was talking to you Mr Nietzsche …hence the the name “Oh Please” in her reply box (just an FYI)…

Not the sharpest pencil in the box are ya champ …

“the naive wit of an imbecile as always enchanted me”

-Johnny Rotten-

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@Oh please!:

no your sub-literate replies are pitiful little man ..

“sorry to burst your bubble”?

“give it a rest”

gosh not only are you an inarticulate rube you must have fallen into a cliche chasm on the way here pee wee

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@Oh please!:

Heaven knows no woman would follow ANY move of yours I’m guessing …

now dont you have a K2 meter to calibrate junior?

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@Oh please!:

I think they figured out that you are an idiot, beyond that it is purely academic. I should warn you I have seen him dissect morons like you effortlessly, so lets move along shall we ?

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@Oh please!: you just proved my point! idiot…did you happen to notice my reply was >>@oh please?<<

LMAO@ YOU!…hehehe..thanks!

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Ron,

Why do you let this childish name calling and bickering go on in the ‘Comments’ section?! All it does is destroy the credibility of this site.
You tried to nail TAPS to a cross in previous articles-now Hawes is probably laughing his ass off when he reads stuff like this!
Real professional this is–done here se ya!

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@Joseph J. Andrasi:

Joe, I’m a one man team guy! If you want to take this over and if you think you can do better ….here’s the keys to the car! Otherwise, stop with the criticism.

FYI, I don’t give a shit about what Hawes may think Joe. Seriously Joe …I don’t freaking care.

Also, if you want to leave then go for we are not begging for your presence.

I dislike arm chair warriors …damn.

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Oh no what will Jason Hawes think? …

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I DO try to dumb it down and lower my standards from time to time so TAPS fans can comprehend the dialog and not feel so alienated and out of the loop ..

you’re welcome!;)

love and light and stuff ….

-GodOfWar-

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I have seen this effect plenty of times. The most logical answer is that is indeed a spider web. The IR light reflects upon the web but cannot focus on something so thin, which makes it appear thicker than it actually is. The reason it appears to be moving is simple. It is attached to a flying bug, most likely a gnat or mosquito. It also appears that the web gets stuck to the tripod on the camera at the end of the footage, which makes the insect move back and forth in front of the lens a few times until it breaks free from the web.
I highly doubt that the team that posted this would attempt to fake their evidence since it is so easily explained. Also take note that the team didn’t post this video as “proof” of anything, rather they put it out and basically asked “what is this?”
On a side note, I have been to Waverly Hills a couple of times. Yes it does cost money to investigate there, but the owners are sinking the money into restoration and property taxes (which is quite expensive for a place that size)
I cannot say for sure that the place is haunted, although I am pretty certain that there is indeed some paranormal activity going on there. I witnessed with my own eyes shadow people crossing the hallways. When I pointed my laser thermometer at them, I was astounded as I watched the laser “dissapear” several times. I also witnessed a ball moving around with no wind affecting it. Got a few EVPs as well.
It’s a huge building, and could be quite beautiful again when the complete restoration is done….although it needs a whole lot of work. I personally don’t mind paying a little bit to see a unique piece of our history restored. They are turning it into a hotel by the way, but it’s going to take a whole lot of money to achieve that goal. I for one support the Mattingly’s cause to completely restore the building into a hotel. If and when it becomes complete, it could be the most beautiful hotel in the United States. I am personally glad that they allow paranormal teams to investigate the place, and it looks as though they will continue to allow teams there after the renovations are complete. There aren’t many owners of buildings that size that allow investigations…aside from a few old prisons.
The building has an amazing history. I would hate to see it destroyed. I say support the commercial haunts such as these because the money is definitely going towards restoration. The owners truly aren’t making much because they are sinking most of the money back into restoring a unique piece of history, and property tax.
Sure they have to eat as well. Who doesn’t?
I support the Mattingly’s cause. It could be a beautiful building again. There is a lot of work that needs to be done because vandals have basically destroyed most of the asthetic beauty, but the basic beautiful architecture remains. It has stood the test of time. I cannot call these good people scam artists when I know for a fact where their money is going.
Is there some sort of paranormal activity taking place at Waverly Hills? I say yes. Does that prove that ghosts exist? I’d say no as of the moment. Is it a worthwhile place to investigate? I’d say definitely, if you are truly interested in exploring that sort of thing. Yes it isn’t cheap to investigate or take a tour, but in the long run a truly magnificent historic building will be restored. The footage above is simply a spider web attached to an insect, nothing more, nothing less. But there is other footage that suggests something strange is definitely happening at the place. The only way any of you can decide for yourself is to investigate the place. If you catch nothing, who cares? At least you contributed to restoring a beautiful building. It has a tragic history, but it is OUR history. It’s a real piece of America that we must remember.

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@unseen: OMG…I almost had to get a crying towel out and wipe a tear away…I said ALMOST and that was from laughing so frickin hard! WOW… unseen are you getting a free night or what? if not maybe I will call Tina and try to get you one…lol..As far as a spider, well think what you want… or what rh told you it was, hehe…I am saying maybe it’s not paranormal but that is no spider in a web or anything of the sort…

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@RonTebo: Ron,

You’re right! sorry for being so critical and I’m sure you don’t care what Hawes thinks – wasn’t my point but doesn’t matter. Just hate to see the bickering back and forth–but guess I don’t have to read it.

my apologies–JOE

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@aanica
Typical response. Now does anybody have something to say that has nothing better to do than to hold insane grudges against social networks? I mean really, your obsession is ludicrous. This is the last time I pay attention to your inane babble. Sorry you have a problem with RH. NOT MY PROBLEM.

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@unseen:

-quote-
“Now does anybody have something to say that has nothing better to do than to hold insane grudges against social networks?”
-end quote-

Speaking of “inane babble” perhaps construction of a coherent sentence would better illustrate your point …

I wouldn’t call it an “insane grudge”, it’s simply fun to laugh at them because they epitomize the quintessential TAPS wannabee site full of para-rubes …

BUT I have to agree that he or them are not worthy of further mention as my rant against them in the other thread was intended to illustrate the non productivity and futility of petty bickering and feuds within the paranormal community …

back on topic …

I find Waverly Hill fascinating yet it is obviously hitching to the proverbial “cash cow” ….

-GodOfWar-

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edit: “he or THEY” that is …

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@ GodOfWar
You want a coherent sentence? Let me simplify it for you.
Aanica brought up RH in response to a post that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with RH.
It seems to be a pattern bordering on obsession.
I am NOT a member of the TAPS family, nor do I want to be member. Is that clear enough for you?
Most of your last post is off topic, but in your last sentence you state, “I find Waverly Hill fascinating yet it is obviously hitching to the proverbial “cash cow”.
I do agree that it’s expensive, but I happen to think it’s worth the money for a number of reasons; primarily because I would like to see the building restored. I’ll spend my money how I want to spend it. If I knew that they weren’t sinking most of the money into restoration, I would have never paid to investigate the place. The restoration is going to cost millions of dollars. I’ve worked in construction before and happen to know how much something like that will cost.If people believe they are making insane profits on the place, then they haven’t looked into the overhead. Keeping the place open is insanely expensive from a property tax standpoint, not to mention the cost of restoration.
Let me ask, would you rather see the building destroyed? As of the moment, there is practically no other way to keep the building open. If the Mattinglys decided to close the door to tours and investigations, then how would the building stay open? What would prevent it from being destroyed by the city? The place has a lot of issues that are constantly being addressed. Keeping up to code is just one of those ongoing issues, complete restoration is another.
I only posted because I happen to have investigated Waverly Hills, and I happen to have similar footage from other places which were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a spider web. Nothing more, nothing less.
IR reflection creates some rather interesting effects, and this effect can be quite simply reproduced using a spider web or a hair.
I’m explaining this from EXPERIENCE, not from a standpoint of listening to what somebody else told me. I’ve seen this effect before on MY OWN camera. I’ve caught a spider web that made this type of effect with MY OWN hands. Is that clear enough?
This footage is NOT paranormal, nor do I believe it was faked. It’s simply some investigators that have no idea about how their cameras actually work. Hopefully they will figure it out in the future and stop posting videos such as these.

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@unseen:

I have to admit that I didn’t read your interceding (rambling) post, but I assure you my summation of Waverly Hills was not based on your personal assessment albeit the fact that you undoubtedly reside in galactic core of the paranormal universe…this site(Waverly Hills)is the destination of many aspiring ghost busters so there are countless photos and documented investigations out there to refer to …
But I have agree that IR cameras and lighting is just another useless accoutrement in the TAPS emulating, wannabe arsenal that does little more than create blurry, indecipherable imagery and grainy, low quality videos …although it does help to conceal furtive movements by team members that attempt to nonchalantly tug on fishing lines …

-GodOfWar-

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Oh yes a simplification from a simpleton …

that’s rich

Unseen wins the highly coveted ‘Inane Drone Award’ for this thread ( congrats ) …

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Also where in this particular exchange did I refer to YOU directly as a TAPS Family member?…

this may come as a shock but not every thing posted here is about you (sorry)…you seem to have a grossly overinflated sense of self importance that I assure you is delusional at best…

my suggestions to you is not to be such an anal bore and think outside the box a little…

perhaps after an a period of deprogramming and extended debriefing you may realize that the methodology you follow modeled on para-television is flawed and sidled with pseudo science intended to deceive the gullible salivating viewers…

-GodOfWar-

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@unseen: There is no obsession with R.H. we have just watched you kiss his ass incessantly in the past and knew you would find it in tolerable that the man you idolize and hold in such high esteem is getting ousted as the dubious dimwit he is.
I mean you can worship whom you please but why someone that runs from a fair debate every time and seems to only feel confident in a gang mentality scenario? plus he has accomplished nothing in the community but brag about how great and superior his band of Para-goobers are compared to the bazillions of other copy cat teams out there
And don’t pretend like you aren’t a little RH suck up, we have seen it exhibited by you
ad nauseum over the past year or so LOL

Oh and great thought thoughts on Waverly Hills (I didn’t read it but I’m sure someone will)

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This also appears to be the destination of choice for aging hacks who’s 15 minutes of (semi)fame and went so they are doing the haunted B&B and pay-per-investigation tours now…this pathological liar has a website filled with dust orbs and fog/breath/mist photos that she claims are all confirmed by NASA photographers as “genuine paranormal energy” …she also claims to have been contracted by the CIA in the past to
“find missing persons” with her psychic super powers…seems these charlatans and the paranormal cash cows go hand and hand these days … that is when they are not working for the CIA LOL! …

Google “Rebecca Shott Muller” and you’ll find her …

don’t forget to check out her hilariously absurd investigation reports and the accompanying photos that she contends are irrefutable “proof” of paranormal activity as “verified by NASA photo analysts” (dust orbs, light streaks and breath/fog/mist) …she seems to be in collusion with these haunted B&Bs, pay to visit locations like the Lizzy Bordon House and places like Waverly Hills are on her list of upcoming investigations …of course we will have to wait for NASA to appraise the photos before the eager public gets to view them …

So, how bout them Paranormal Cops?

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@GodOfWar:

Yeah, I looked at her site and sorry …I don’t believe her abilities.

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@RonTebo:

It wouldn’t be so bad if she wasn’t such a condescending shrew on top of it ..

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I have read about this chick “Rebecca Shott Muller” and like the others she is full of shit! She claims to be clairvoyant/medium! Blah, blah, blah!

I’ll bet my house she is NOT clairvoyant or a medium ans there is NO solid proof. Look at this Youtube video of her and watch how she is very vague and not to the point. She feels there’s a man present at the Lizzy Borden house? Dah, anyone can make such a claim and she does not give specifics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBPRMRk_nXc

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@Danny:

Her 5 minutes of fame transpired as an interview conducted by a woman dressed like Eddie Munster…

*caution: her voice alone may cause temporary E.D.

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We spent all night in there on Tuesday. Not haunted, I repeated not haunted. And indeed it is a cashcow for the owners.

There were so many holes in their stories about the building.

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@GodOfWar: Actually is was more like 4:58 seconds ..lol

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I investigated Waverly Hills myself with a total crew of 12 people in the entire complex in 2007. We did record some pretty good EVP’s on the 5th floor. What bothered me was the fact that there are tree limbs growing into the broken windows of the building and the place has dense forest growth around it and full of animals. The staff feed a family of raccoons that are so big and fat they look like bears from a distance. Ghost Hunters never reported this fact when they were there for their first week long investigation and used evidence of that small black figure moving across the hallway on their thermal. This is when I first began to think something was fishy with Jay and Grant.

As far as this video is concerned,we looked at this along time ago and believe it is a hair caught in the front of the camera lens that gives you the illusion of the pogo stick moving.I have seen this before or something very similar like this on video cameras in very filthy places such as Waverly where all sorts of debris is airbourne.

As far as the Waverly claims, most are fraudulent. Instead of the 60,000 people that have been said to have perished there, it is more like 10 to 15 thousand.

Look up the work of John Amerine, a former employee at Waverly who is counting death certificates in Lousville. He will set everyone straight on the death count.

J.C.

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Here’s another hilarious, popular pay-per-investigation destination favorite for that little bit of TAPS Wannabe Goober Extraordinaire in all of us…

The Lemp Manor in St Luis Mo.

www(dot)lempmansion(dot)com

I have been seeing more and more chromosome heavy TAPS emulating teams pretending like they are conducting “exclusive investigations” at these cash-cows like this, Waverly Hills and Eastern State Penitentiary…

LMAO what a JOKE!

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Hey, where did the recent article on Grant go? Guess it got snuffed quick, unless I’m missing something. VR

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It IS a spiderweb.

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I think it’s a ghost sock puppet monkey. They are very wiley.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3502/3987423424_36a25b1d4c.jpg

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I’m pretty sure that’s a spiderweb, stuck to a spider, perhaps, who has something stuck in the web. That pogo stick is just a piece of web with debris, close to the lens.

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I met a ghost hunter in a bar the other night who told me she had seen some shadow people while her team was investigating Waverly hills. Of course she also told me they relied on psychics and dowsing pendulums in their investigations, so I’m a little skeptical.

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I do NOT believe the video itself is doctored. But I can tell you that is a piece of hair/fiber being dangled close to the IR camera being that we have done that before as a control experiment to have that footage to compare to when looking at other people’s video. The bright “lights” that flare the top of the screen, can be recreated with an IR light being bounced off thin materials like “halloween store spider webs”. This is also one of the reasons I am against DVR cameras and their low-res video quality.

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To sum up the possible well-thoughtout ‘debunks’ in the answering posts above:

1. Reflection
2. Spiderweb
3. Hair
4. Hoaxed

Each one of these explanations is more likely then a paranormal “pogo stick.”

One must second guess debunking attempts when they become so convoluted and fanciful that they are actually less likely then simply suggesting any “evidence” is paranormal.

Each of the explanations above are simple, straight-forward, and more likely then the alternative. The investigator who submitted the film does deserve credit in regards to her open request for analysis, however, it is interesting that she didn’t come up with any of the possibilities herself.

Why not? Lack of analysis skills? An overwhelming ‘want of belief?’ A desire to generate a buzz hoping to increase Web site hits? All of the above?

Regardless, this video is an excellent example of the type of so-called “evidence” that many groups will post saying that they were unable to debunk it and thus it must be paranormal.

Keep up the good work Scifake!

Bobby Elgee; Sights Unseen Paranormal

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@RonTebo: I saw that also and appears to me when you zoom in on it to be a finger. did you notice when the glowing stick was coming from the over direction that instead of going straight across it arced. as if you was holding the stick and bringing it across the lens of the camera and down.

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Examine the still at 1:16. Some ‘thread’ clearly is attached to the top of the ‘object’…. the whole thing reminds me of how dew laden spider silk looks in the morning sunrise….

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Hey folks,

One of the most obvious fake I’ve found regarding this infamous location is a video that I found on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzM87HB_N0&feature=player_embedded

Kudos to the person the video together.

Bobby Elgee; Sights Unseen Paranormal

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Yeah, these idiots try to tell us it was paranormal. Who (team) originally filmed this video?

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