Great article and VERY true. There’s a lot of backstabbing bullshit going on today in the PN community and the world is laughing at the dumb shit who start the drama.

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Generally its the “unity in the community” shouters that are the worst trouble makers

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Unity sounds good but its never going to happen… The best will align with each other it will always be competitive, there is no fair game, no more here than out in the business world..its not going to happen but what may happen is now that certain individuals have set the Bar VERY high when it comes to contributing REAL work, we may see a inflow of individuals striving to bring other quality work to this arena and that is what is needed (imo)

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I agree… Healthy competition drive innovation and better service. Although we could all do without the rumor and gossiup jerks out there.

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As an investigator myself, I openly share what I find and encourage other teams to investigate the places I have investigated. I don’t see the point of being competitive. That’s downright unscientific. I really haven’t found many answers, and don’t have much in the way of evidence after 6 years of investigating; but welcome all theories.
I actually love working with different teams to see how they do things, but sadly not many teams want to work with outside teams. It’s a sad fact in this field. Far too many people only want fame or a television show. Not many want to share their personal discoveries, although take heart with the knowledge that there are a few of us out there that really aren’t in it for fame and glory. I have found some teams that openly share and encourage scientific debate…. not many, but they are out there. Some of us simply want real answers to unexplainable questions. Perhaps one day we will all unite in our cause, but it’s going to have to boil down to an actual answer to these eternal questions for that to happen. Until then, I am happy working with the rare groups I have found that are willing to share information.

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@unseen: Sharing information is voluntary and most all scientists guard their findings with high tech security as they should… don’t kid yourself, information is sacred and if your earning it why would you openly give it away? All good science is regarded this way, this is no different when It comes down to a business along with a discovery… same for every invention or breakthrough i.e. the microwave, nuclear power, hybrid engines..Positive techniques to measure (you know like K2 meters thermometers’..ect) Wanting to “share” is a fantasy for those who don’t know how to gather and research and dig for what they want…Everything I have learned… I dug for myself and taught myself, I worked hare an long hours an still do, I have helped many but by no means am I going o give away my knowledge of what I do best, This does not equate to wanting a TV show ..lol..Just not gonna “share” with everyone who comes along that is not the way it is even out of the paranormal world..I certainly do not fault someone for making a living at this new budding science or writing a book, making a movie or yes even having a TV show…
What’s wrong with fame and glory? And being competitive is what makes progress! If the game is competitive you are more likely to put a better effort in, not to mention if you don’t you are archaic in a matter of weeks, We have all seen firsthand what happens when you leave it for a moment..
The crown moves on so to surmise, I would always help someone in the field …To a point, but my best is staying with me…

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There will never be unity when you have TAPS wannabe goobers contributing nothing but ineptitude, apathy and discord in the community while they simultaneously preach self righteously about what makes them so much better than all of the other copycat teams out there…like a certain semi literate, chromosome heavy, mullet sporting buffoon from Springfield Mo. (R.H) that bans anyone that disagrees with him or dares to point out any one of the myriad of TAPS inequities during their brief stint at a certain silly, inconsequential site he co moderates with other like minded sycophants…then after it’s all over and the opposing side of the conversation is deleted, he goes into a paranoid rant about it being me or some “Halfhand” character LOL…this bozo RUNS from confrontation every time he encounters it when he doesn’t have the backing of his co-imbeciles outside of that safety net of a forum they finally got up the nerve to make viewable from the outside (hilarious) and it is a fair, one on one arena… you just keep groveling for my attention puny human, then run and hide when you get it, too bad you can’t muster up enough of your waning, mid 50′s testicular fortitude to face me like a man…And at least my woman is proud of me Gomer, your better half seems way too embarrassed by you being the abject failure that you are to even show herself there anymore…alas her unmitigated shame of you must be way too much for her to endure, the poor woman …of course I way have too much class to attack her personally being a woman and all …not like you huh little ricky?…typical of the low class, trailer park, white trash, inbred, sister dating, goat loving, junior high drop-out weasel that you are…

Oh and while I’m wasting time on you losers: do tell that scrawny, tattooed, toothpick armed little twerp that actually was a member of a failed KY team and so desperate and pitiful that he joined your ignoble band of cretins; I suggest he spend about 20 years at the gym before he DARES to open his 10th grade educated yap about me… my god who on earth would let him into their house looking like a meth-head with AIDS?…

Sorry but I cant resist slapping these sniveling, little spineless rodents that bad mouths Sci-Fake or me in such a cowardly fashion…

any questions?

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@GodOfWar: I didn’t do it! LOL. Hey, we all have to get it out at times…

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Great article Ron! My feelings for a long time now. Those of you who think competitiveness is a good thing–be mindful of the fact that there is a wide variety of people in this [field]: educated-and uneducated; experienced and inexperienced; good-hearted and ‘demonic’ do these people really no how to compete honestly and ethically? Along with competiveness come the dirty politics and backstabbing as in any other field in the USA so be ready to defend and offend!
I also am willing to share anything and everything I have collected over the years-in fact my best photo has been circulated all over the net as I send it to many, many groups and individuals.

Everyone have a great year–JOE

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@Joseph J. Andrasi:

I wrote that before coffee otherwise I wouldn’t have even bothered …especially in titled :
“grow up ef up already” …

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@unseen:

Are you the same “Unseen” from the goober site?
(the plot thins) …well at least you have the guts to show up …

where’s that philosophical featherweight RH?
oh wait it’s possum season down there I forgot LOL …

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@GodOfWar: heh heh…OWNED again…

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Now the MyP**a goober has posted “An open letter to GodofWar” and whom ever else the paranoid, delusional little cretin thinks I am… but guess what? all of the sudden the forum is closed to outside viewing!:)…
It was open right up until the point that he posted a new thread addressed to me by name:GodOfWar (and whatever other archetypal Jungian persecutor he has externalized in his latest psychotic break)as a futile attempt to save face among his fellow Gomers, the only problem is that he blocked me and outside viewers from seeing it …I’m in shock and utter amazement, you may as well put on a skirt and skip around the trailer Opie!…

Unless of course it is just a fluke and a coincidence that it has been open to public viewing for a while now, but all of the sudden, low and behold; mysteriously the forum is no longer visible from the outside at almost the exact same simultaneous point in time that you post an “Open Letter to GodOfWar” ..no investigative skills required, so even TAPS family goobers will find this a no-brainer … …

LMOA, YOU SNIVELING, LITTLE, PATHETIC, COWARD, MOUSE OF A MAN… YOU POST SOMETHING ADDRESSED TO ME BY NAME, THEN IMMEDIATELY CLOSE THE FORUM BECAUSE YOU ARE SO TERRIFIED I MIGHT SEE IT????? :):):):):):):)

I cant believe you actually think the members there are stupid enough not to realize this but trust me, they will know this eventually as I consider this the ULTIMATE exhibition of monumental woosiness on your part …

If you are a member there at My p**a net; log off and see if you can view it from the outside mow …No? then I would be ashamed to be a member there personally, as there is no way to look upon him as anything but a bully that has been exposed as in reality: a scared little bunny rabbit…my god dude this makes you look like more of a WIMP, its bad enough you wouldn’t dare face me at a neutral venue, but now you post a thread addressed to me there at “Mullethead Central” then block me from seeing it?… and really, do you think the other rednecks are so stupid they wont make the connection that you are intentionally preventing me from being be able to see it? …

BTW, for the record: I was at least able to copy the thread title on the front page so there would be no question as to whom instigated what DUMB-ASS …

You know if I keep owning you like this; I am going to have to pay for your rabies shots. (fortunately you are already neutered)…

what you owe me is your AWE…

BOW TO GodOfWar SIMPLETON!

next…

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OMG it is Soooo lame, one of my operatives has sent me a copy of his sophomoric diatribe between fits laughter ..
he keeps invoking the cliche from the mid 90′s about “typing real slow so I can read it” and has used it twice in the first paragraph alone LOL…then the guy that refuses to face me has lambasted my debate skills when I have decimated effortlessness the past and he has either ran or deleted my side of it to save face …And you see, in order to use a thesaurus one must first have a contextual construct predicated on an abstract to apply as a subjunctive replacement word to assemble a cogently cohesive sentence structure to begin with, so you lost that one too Jethro …

And you are a member of a team that was annexed by a another TFM parent team, so there goes your next big point of contention about me being wrong about about your current TFM status but as I have already dismantled that the first time you tried it and made it abundantly clear that I was well aware of the fact you couldn’t pass TAPS Boot camp yourselves and that I considered you TFM by proxy as blanketed under your norther counterpart (guess I didn’t type slow enough huh?)..
And my worst evidence will always be vastly superior to your best and I will always DWARF you when it comes to the collective net wide viewpoints I receive by those that admire my contributions to the community, when yours are MINUSCULE if not non existent by comparison, but this comes as a small consolation considering you that don’t really do anything on the FEW investigation that you actually go on except fart in each others faces to utilize as the feature videos on the RC*S You-tube Channel (some real sophisticates there)…and we both know what your profile listed as your home location before you got paranoid and made that private too, so there goes the KC as your home town argument….next, the non sequitur analogy of equating me to ” bubble gum on your shoe” and “pebble in a sea of boulders” was not clever the fist couple I have seen you use it in the past, nor is it as the regurgitated idiocy you are presenting here in this latest insurrection…and I see you are keeping current on all of the state of the art, high tech games too huh? (Mario Kart)…
You see Gomer I am able to pick you apart effortlessly because you are an A-hole and a bully period …plus as much as you are being reduced to pathetic lies now nobody will believe that I have to resort to making fun of someone’s handicap, so drop that BS too because it is silly to even imply when I my victories over you have ALWAYS been so decisive…
I told you way back in that blog that you would RUE the day you came and stuck your nose in my business out of the blue and viciously attacked my lady that your fate was then sealed …and I for one always keep my word ….

Bow To GodOfWar puny human….

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now if you weren’t such a moron you could make fun of the massive run on sentence I neglected to sub divide, but I now it wouldn’t have the same effect ….

I hope you all have enjoyed this little interactive presentation that I contrived to illustrate the non-productivity of community rivalries and personal vendettas…

what have we leaned?

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Now they are equating me to Hitler and making some rather libelous and slanderous comments that is such a pathetic act of desperation…
copied that lie too kids keep up coming …although that one was only semi coherent really and SO absurd even those rubes probably wont believe it ..especially considering that I have an immediate family member that is profoundly handicapped i am really disgusted at this point …

oh and J.Z. you are way too stupid to even merit a reply and cetainly not worthy of my acknowledgment at this point …although he does mention that not only are Jason and Grant his heroes on his myspace page but further states that he he says he wants to BE them ..

nuff said

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If the team and certain person you speak of has the initials r.h well I have some wonderful news r.h I have word document copy’s of all your attacks on me, I have a nice little habit of keeping meticulous records, and utilizing state-of-the-art IP tracking myself (you know..a paid for program)…You know this particular TAPs wanna-be is of such low intelligence how could they realize what a real engineer can do…

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@GodOfWar: “what have we leaned? ”

that rh got OWNED again! wow …

and good night, thank you..GOdOfWar

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@GodofWar:
Yes, I am the same unseen at mypara (isn’t Ron a member over there as well?), yes I am the same unseen that is posting this here, yes, I am the same unseen that is a member of myspace and other networking sites as well. What difference does any of that make? Just because I am a member of a social networking site doesn’t make me affiliated with everyone that is on the site, with the exception of the fact that I am a member as everybody else is.
You say the plot thins? What plot? I have nothing to do with whatever disagreement you and RH may have. That is between you and him.

Ron said above, “There is all kinds of politicking out there that it’s really ridiculous and getting out of control. In my opinion, there’s so much infighting in the paranormal community because of this kind of thing. It’s unattractive. There’s room enough for everybody out there to do their thing and accomplish their goals without the name calling and infantile behavior that does exist.”

I agree with this. Don’t take any offense by me saying this, but aren’t you doing the same thing here? I saw the open letter post on mypara that RH wrote that you mentioned. Quite frankly, none of the comments you 2 make about each other is any of my business. I could care less about how you feel about one another. If either of you want to talk to each other or duke it out or whatever, do it on your own time. Stop wasting mine.
Not everybody on mypara is a TAPS wannabe. Not everybody on myspace is friends with Tom. I have met some of the members of TAPS, and I can say that the few I have met were pretty nice. Does that make me want to be a member of TAPS? No. Does that mean they are faking everything? I don’t know. I wasn’t there at the time. I think the show is entertaining enough, and know from experience that I have had some strange things happen to me as well, so I can relate on that level. Do I believe in ghosts? Well I haven’t quite decided on that question yet. If TAPS invited me to investigate with them would I go? Yes. It wouldn’t be because I want to be affiliated with TAPS though. I would go only because I like to investigate different places. I would do the same if you or RH invited me to go investigate somewhere. I’m only telling you this so you know who I am and where I am coming from. I personally dislike it when someone tries to generalize who I am by some of the websites I participate in or what shows I watch. That does not make the sum of a person. Don’t make assumptions. I won’t make any assumptions either. You don’t know me and I don’t know you. We only know of each other.

@Aanica: don’t all scientists subject their findings to peer review before their discoveries are unleashed upon the general public? I believe in the name of public safety, they pretty much have to be reviewed and scrutinized by their peers. I heard of a guy that invented a car engine that runs strictly on water. He couldn’t just go out and start selling his engines though, his invention is still being tested and scrutinized by his peers in the name of public safety.
When I say I openly share what information I have found and what discoveries I have made, I meant it. Although I shall clarify here and say that I openly share those findings with other like minded individuals who aren’t afraid to review what I have found. I have learned a lot in the process of doing this. I once took a video that appeared to look like a ghostly hand that flashed in front of my camera. I could see through a team member through it as it looked transparent. I knew that it wasn’t my hand or anybody elses, I knew it wasn’t a bug, I knew it wasn’t dust, so I was confused as to what it might have been. So I simply put the video out with the question attached, “What is it?” I asked plenty of my friends that have been in the field for a while, and not many could come up with any explanation. I finally asked Patrick Doyle over at Haunted Hoax, and he came up with a good alternative explanation. He said it looked as though it could be IR reflection coming off the other team members camera, or perhaps some jewelry she was wearing. My old team tried to recreate the image, but couldn’t quite do it….however we still believed that it was the best explanation that was made available to us.
If I hadn’t shared that video with anybody and kept it completely secret, what would I have learned? That is why sharing what you find is important in the field. You don’t have to share it with everybody. I have many pictures and a few videos that I only share on a personal basis with some of the other teams I work with. I enjoy having my findings scrutinized by them because I know they are only in the field to try and help others, and they may have some insight that I overlooked. I don’t share all those findings online or publish them in any other way because of client confidentiality agreements.

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@unseen: I do understand what you’re saying about your findings and asking your peers to help you learn I am not against that at all, maybe it’s just that you’re associated with some of the lowest class in this arena that made me think different of you.

Peer review does come but not while researching, only after all conclusions are drawn and they effectively feel the theory is sound. The budding science of the paranormal is still in its infancy and the best are not giving up their information and to what peers would you be comfortable submitting your work to? Personally I would look more to people like Doug Kelly @Paranexus who seems to have the best information and his organization together. The person who I would respect enough to want the opinion of is certainly no goober at that little club you belong to. I guess it’s the individual’s choice to decide who is a respectable peer and who is not. You have your way I have mine; in college I did not share my discovery’s to be reviewed by other students but by those who were experts. This field of science is quite different and there are many who have lots of knowledge I consider experts and do have respect for just not any of the bunch your associated with nor would I ever consider teaching the information I have to another at this point in time, or sharing anything with the general public, and I don’t care what you think you know about “sharing” the best of us do not share with other teams nor will this become any kind of norm, I have already stated I work long hours and dig constantly and I am not about to give any of my best knowledge away.

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@unseen:

With all of this courage and common sense, and the ability to string a sentence together that isn’t rife with lies and cliche’s, why on earth are you a member there?…

Oh and Ron joined to respond to ye another example of RH running his mouth about someone where he thought it couldn’t be seen, then changed his tune quickly when Ron showed up personally to address the blatant ad hominem attacks RH was hurling against him …you know, like real men do…

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@ Aanica and GodofWar
With all due respect, I’m not concerned with any of your disagreements that you may have with some of the people that run the site. I stay there because there are others that do join for various reasons. Some need help, some want opinions, some offer insight.
I’ve hooked up with a couple teams in my area because of the site, and have hooked up with others via myspace and other sites. It makes no difference to me. They are simply social networking sites. Nobody is required to join one site or another. I personally don’t like facebook for a lot of different reasons, therefore I’m not a member there. You guys don’t like mypara for your own reasons, therefore you aren’t a member.
I do believe whatever personal gripes you may have with whatever individual should be taken up with the individual, and not on a public forum….but hey people do what they want to do. It’s just something I don’t participate in.

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@unseen: I believe you are here at Ron Tebo’s Sci-Fake, maybe YOU don’t understand that…

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@ Aanica,
Yes I do understand that. I quite like this forum sometimes. What makes you think I don’t understand? I participate in other forums as well.
I responded because you all asked me questions. I do that sort of thing. I do the same for anybody regardless of what site it is.

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@unseen:
What makes you think you can lecture me about forum protocol? Also my statements’ to you are in regards to this topic and to your answer …AND conversely as my grandma says “birds of a feather flock together” so association is relevant as to what peers you regard as expert and *sharing* lol…

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Next I will address the monumental hypocrisy that plagues the community , as the cowardice, lies and equation to Hitler now being hurled over at the(now closed) MyP*ra in obvious desperation is so despicable and they are SO paranoid, that I would prefer not to even acknowledge their continued abhorrent existence …

Moving along; is a certain site that even shares a moderator with MyP*ra that we will call“Angles and Ghosties” for now …The shared moderator that we will call “TK” is a vile, uneducated woman in her early 50′s that seems to have this misconception that the ability to extract EXIF data from the properties of a digital photograph utilizing editing freeware she commandeered from the internet somehow equates to photo-analytical expertise …

Both “TK and the administrator of “Angles and Ghosties” we will call “Fat O.” are notorious internet trolls as well, attempting to stifle and or squelch those that are progressing too rapidly and thus threaten them as their inherent ineptitude has left them vacillating in their own irrelevance and insignificance …

Remember these are two that have consistency blown up and over pixelated photos over the years and exhibited the most textbook examples of apophenia and simulacrum imagery that are in most cases simply artifacts resultant of over editing their own and the photos of others …she (TK) was smart enough to recently delete all of her own photos illustrating the history of this blaring contradiction and as her skills have not progressed, she has become this bitter, self loathing, skeptical hypocrite …Conversely if one was to find the forum at this site we are calling “Angles and Ghosties” they would quickly learn as to whom the (grossly incompetent)forum administrator there is ..if one were to then go to that administrator’s profile and then click the link down the left hand side leading to her uploaded photos, one would find a plethora of DUST ORBS, CIGARETTE SMOKE “ECTOPLASM” and vaguely recognizable matrixed apparitions that are considerably far less compelling than some submitted by others I have seen her denounce as potentially paranormal, yet she touts her’s as being among the best out there LOL …

When taking into consideration the fact that EXIF data will not reveal the addition of items that are photo-shop inserted into a picture it becomes completely and utterly useless …
I have conduced experiments challenging members to pick out which of 5 photos was tainted by the inclusion of an item I added to a photo that was small enough to be aesthetically invisible but should have been detectable if the application of EXIF data is to be construed as a viable tool to employ …nobody picked it out of 10 guesses of course because the data is not altered by this type of manipulation thus rendering it useless in many cases (that thread was removed by an enraged and embarrassed administrator long ago)….

”TK” in particular likes to copy and paste EXIF data every time a photos is posted by a new member with no clarification as to what significance this arcane photographic nomenclature represents or how it may have produced the anomalies present in the submitted photos …often this is a reply to new members that have admitted to being a novice with digital cameras, yet instead of explaining what the data she extracted from the photo properties signifies, she usually just makes a condescending if not outright demeaning accompanying comment…it is often quite obvious that she has NO clue what relevance the EXIF data has to the photos in question, it is just another opportunity to try and convince everyone of her pseudo expertise that are not savvy enough to see through this facade..

(Here’s the Jerry Springer style closing comments to make it seem on topic lol)

It is this kind of hypocrisy that diminishes or completely negates any or all credibility these self proclaimed photographic experts may have or ever will have and it further serves to create more discord while further depleting any hope for a unified community .

You all just keep on whining to each other where nobody can see it over there and perhaps Jason Hawes will stop by here again for a chat …

BOW TO GOD-OF-WAR!

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@unseen:

RH is a coward period, and by closing the forum following that thread there is no way around it

…did you make a similar statement there?

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@ Aanica
What makes you think I was lecturing you about forum protocol? I was only answering questions you asked.
Let me clarify by what I meant by stating I don’t participate. I don’t call people names or get involved with the infighting which is what this original post was about.
I’ve got no grudge with you and I am certainly not lecturing you. I just said it’s something I personally do not do.
Ron has had many topics that I did not participate in. Mainly because most of the topics are in regards to exposing fakery. The only reason I didn’t participate in any of those conversations was because truthfully I wasn’t there at the time and do not know, and wasn’t privvy to any inside information. I don’t claim to be an expert. I learn what nuggets of truth I can from all sorts of sources.
This is the first time you and I have talked. I make no assumptions about who you are and certainly have no right to lecture you about forum protocol, which isn’t what I was doing. I was only agreeing with the original post by Ron.
I am speaking to you directly. I haven’t called you any names, and you haven’t called me any.
I just don’t have anything useful to add to a conversation when it is concerning people’s thoughts on other people that I or they don’t know.
I do know some members of mypara quite personally, and am glad for their friendship. If you or anyone have a question about them, I would simply prefer the question to be pointed towards them and not myself.
I know there’s a lot of people that enjoy gossip and the infighting. I enjoy playing guitar. Everybody has their thing they like.
I’m not saying that you enjoy the gossip or infighting because I personally don’t know what you like. Fair enough?
In regards to your statement of “Birds of a feather flock together”. I’m here responding to you fellow bird. Yes I have an interest in the paranormal. Looks like we have similar feathers.

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@ GodofWar
No I didn’t make a statement there because the letter was directed towards you, not myself.

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@unseen: Au contraire,
I have no feathers what so ever liken to those who you align yourself with, nor do I feel the need to have to keep repeating myself as to my original statement to you about this topic but it seems I have to so one last time I shall just for you…
Quote YOU:
“I do believe whatever personal gripes you may have with whatever individual should be taken up with the individual, and not on a public forum….but hey people do what they want to do. It’s just something I don’t participate in.”

YOU are participating here at SCI-FAKE A PUBLIC FORUM for EXPOSING FAKERY and stating your personal gripe about *SHARING* data in this field and how fortunate you are to have others to *share* with.
“I do understand what you’re saying about your findings and asking your peers to help you learn I am not against that at all, maybe it’s just that you’re associated with some of the lowest class in this arena that made me think different of you.
Peer review does come but not while researching, only after all conclusions are drawn and they effectively feel the theory is sound. The budding science of the paranormal is still in its infancy and the best are not giving up their information and to what peers would you be comfortable submitting your work to? Personally I would look more to people like Doug Kelly @Paranexus who seems to have the best information and his organization together. The person who I would respect enough to want the opinion of is certainly no goober at that little club you belong to. I guess it’s the individual’s choice to decide who is a respectable peer and who is not. You have your way I have mine; in college I did not share my discovery’s to be reviewed by other students but by those who were experts. This field of science is quite different and there are many who have lots of knowledge I consider experts and do have respect for just not any of the bunch your associated with nor would I ever consider teaching the information I have to another at this point in time, or sharing anything with the general public, and I don’t care what you think you know about “sharing” the best of us do not share with other teams nor will this become any kind of norm, I have already stated I work long hours and dig constantly and I am not about to give any of my best knowledge away. “

Also your knowing members of that little club of losers is your misfortune as many all around you know your associations with those you call friends lessons your credibility especially in an arena of well respected peers as I stated before your associates have openly attacked me a female on several occasions and the first time they did it I had never even heard of rh (LOL) seems he knew of me and my beloved when we had never heard of his irrelevant existence before.. So by proxy your aspiration is tainted as is all of your information…

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@ Aanica
Please read again. I have no gripes about sharing what I have found with others.

The only gripe I had was with those that are ONLY in this field for fame.

Some of the people I know on mypara I knew long before I or they even joined mypara. I knew them because I worked with them, I respect them, and they are good friends. I have not called any of your friends low class, and I certainly won’t start here. Again, I don’t know you and you don’t know me. There are plenty of people on mypara I don’t know.
Same goes with myspace. Do you have a myspace? Does that make you associated with Tom? I know I certainly don’t hang out with the guy.

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@unseen: Until you have issued a similar objection to this type of bickering you have expressed herein that thread posted to GodOfWar, then everything you are saying here is without merit and completely null and void, I expect text to be copied and proven to your objection to this otherwise your just another hypocrite if you don’t (we will find out if you do it or not..and you will look worse if you lie)

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@ Aanica
Who do you think you are to tell me what and what not to post? Do you pay my bills? Are you my boss?
I haven’t posted anything in response there because I have stated above, It’s none of my
effin’ business. That is between you, GOW, and RH. I haven’t made any demands upon you, and will not make any upon you here.
The original topic here was something that sparked my interest. I don’t believe unity is possible until some freaking breakthrough happens.
This conversation wasn’t about what social network you like or dislike. It also wasn’t about exposing fakery in the community (which is what most conversations here are about) It was about name calling and infighting and how it makes the rest of us who don’t do that sort of thing look. It was about growing up and sharing information.
I don’t need to post any of this on mypara. Many of the people on mypara read what is going on here. The same thing goes for people here reading what is going on at mypara. Why do we read these things? Because we all have a common interest in the paranormal. Some of us may disagree with each other to beat the band, but it does not change the fact that we all have a common interest.

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@ Aanica
Furthermore, how can you call me a liar when I have made no promises to you? Why would I make a promise to somebody I didn’t know? Is that the sort of thing you like doing?

You haven’t answered my question yet. How close are you to Tom?

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@unseen:

So you didn’t post a similar reply to RH in that thread addressed to me expressing a similar objection that you posted here? …gee what a surprise
Why dont you run along and calibrate your useless, laughable KII meter until you can validate your expressed oppositions by posted there as well, otherwise everything you say is null and void as she has already advised you …

awaiting the copy of the text you post there ….

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@unseen: The only thing “common” is the site your associated with…

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btw your are right it is “none of you effin business” ao drop it little man …al you are doing is making RH look more like a coward by sending a flunky stooge like you into my lair…

I do love all the the attention morons, keep it up… you will notice I still have not mentioned any of you directly by complete names so unless anyone knows whom I have been talking about by association only;
I have awarded you NO free publicity whatsoever CHUMPS …

bow to GodOfWar …and stuff

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@Aanica:

I have to admit that I would often feel like I needed a shower after viewing MyP*ra threads for amusement ….

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Who is RH?

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@admin: lol…I will e-mail it to you and you can decide if you want to give IT a name..LOL!

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Let’s all be nice and move forward!

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@RonTebo:

I do retract the comment to “Unseen” about calling him a “little man”,”stooge” and “flunky, it WAS unnecessary… but I stand by my assertion that he needs to be consistent by posting those comments in BOTH places …

moving on …

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@RonTebo: You got Ron!

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@Aanica: hehe you know what I mean…I wish I could edit these..;)

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Why are you all making unreasonable demands upon me? As I said before, people on mypara read posts here. I got no control over what RH or any of you say. I’m only responding to you here because you asked me why I was member of mypara here. I’m pretty sure that those in charge of mypara are aware of this conversation and can read it here just fine, so what’s the point of spending an hour of my time cutting and pasting it over there?
Again, I say that’s between you and them. I’ve got no hard feelings for anyone, but that issue is not my fight. That’s all there is to say about the matter.
Ron, all I can say to you is I see what you are saying and agree. I don’t say much here because most of your articles are about exposing fakery on television shows. I honestly feel I can’t say much about those issues because truthfully I just wasn’t there at the time, but I respect the things you say when it comes down to other issues in the field.

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No worries, I won anyway …

moving on …

Hey you can edit comments now!!!!

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Yeah, you just won Ron’s point of this topic.

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@unseen:

Wow that certainly was a zinger, my what a razor sharp wit you possess …

unfortunately by you participating and keeping this up after I have already destroyed them so completely,and pledged twice now to “move on”, you are the one fueling the fire thus making you guilty of that which you are supposedly objecting to …I realize this my be a perplexing paradox for you to grasp but trust me, you should probably just drop it

But just to further back you into a corner, and how I love to torture covert TAPS fans: what’s your take on the obvious new blanket pull hoax video in the other thread ?…you know, the one that serves as yet another salient example of TAPS being frauds and all?… surely you must concede that GH and all that are loyal to them must be denounced and frowned upon with disdain, then ostracized from the community as it really is obvious that this is more fraudulent evidence? … surely you do not want to be pigeon holed in with the Titanic of TFM teams: RC*S and such since you have made such a concerted (but unconvincing) effort to distance yourself from them judging from the interceding replies you have made…
So what is your opinion of that video that is unexpurgated show footage? …you said you were undecided on the existence of “ghosts” so was that the long awaited evidence that tipped the scales in favor for you, or are you way too savvy and astute of a “paranormal investigator” to be fooled by such flagrant, laughable trickery?…
Every one at MyP*ra must think it’s real because correct me if I’m wrong, but the consensus there is that there is absolutely no quantitative evidence to suggest fakery by TAPS and that makes them either morons or fraud perpetrators themselves right?…

so… unless you denounce this as the ridiculous trickery that it is, you are either a morn or a fraud yourself…

to quote Meatloaf: “whats it gonna be boy, yes or no?”…

“let me sleep on it” is not an option for an answer btw

-GodOfWar-

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@unseen:

It would take you “an hour” to cut and paste one post from there to here?.. you folks are certainly the swift ones aren’t you? …

and yes I won, I have every time …plus only my side is visible so I win by default even if I didn’t dissect them like lab rats the way I did…

moving on again ….

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@GodOfWar: Yes you can edit now..and thanks Ron T, I love this place!

@unseen! last comment, your not posting there what your spouting here because you would get the boot and your a follower NOT a leader like those of us here! lol…

Im done Ron T, moving on …I promise!

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Sorry if I came across as a little too abrasive in my effort to illustrate how non productive community in-fighting can be ..of course I stuck to the facts where the other side has apparently resorted to fantasy and outright confabulation, although admittedly I wish I “still lived with my parents” considering just how much laundry, cleaning and mortgage payments SUCK!…but as the old TFM adage goes: if you don’t have all the facts, invent them …and Aanica takes impeccable care of her family too btw, but as you know have been reduced to attacking a woman’s maternal instincts in your desperate group bashing campaign, I have to say you are much lesser life forms that I originally thought..I do thank you for revealing your true selves as I predicted you would …

J.Z. please stop groveling for my attention, you dont exist in the big leagues, sorry …

-GodOfWar-

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@GodOfWar: Thanks G.O.W for some one with ‘no job that lives with his parents” you certainly work hard …:)

I noticed that one of the new moderators there that still is wearing his training bra (and needs one from the look of his photos on Myspace) looks to have pulled out a thesaurus of his own and attempted to shoe horn a phrase into an impossible context in the same post that he made an erroneous literary reference to the “Halfhand” character ..
then after the lies about G.O.W. being prejudice against the handicapped they then proceed to make references to him “coming home on a short bus” thus implying he is handicapped in some capacity in an unflattering way that seems to contradict the indignation they feigned with the Hitler connotations …good god people at least read each others replies before you make such hysterical contradictions …I now understand why you made this invisible to outside viewers because it is so fictional and LAME if i were you I would consider not criticizing some one’s photos that are featured in and on the front home page of an online magazine that you guys compliment as the best because they did an article on some GHI guy or whatever it kind of makes you look even more jealous than you already do ..

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My goodness I just re-read this and I want to not only pat myself on the back but give thanks to Ron Tebo for such a wonderful platform and also to GodOfWar for such decisive strikes!

I love this place!

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I like this alot! We are a community of people who are ultimately looking for the same conclusions, the same answers. Reguardless of the different mehods groups may use or ways of conducting investigations, we should be open to each other rather than have it be a scene outta West Side Story every time another “gang” of paranormal investigators form a group lol!
Seriously, we already have the kind of skeptics out there that go out of their way to show up at lectures or e-mail nasty messages about how we are wasting our time or our lives by pursuing this passion of ours. They tell us all the time that what we do is an absolute joke! We already have THOSE people to deal with, but now on top of that we have to fight each other too? I think THAT is the joke. Paranormal groups already have enough on their plates aside from having to worry about which other group is going to “scoop” them on a case or degrade them unprofessionally. As long as we all conduct ourselvess truthfully then there should be no reason to doubt each other…
Which brings me to another thought. I think because we are losing so much faith in these paranormal television shows with their fake evidence and their shoddy documenting.., perhaps that is why alot of groups are starting to question each other now. Which are the groups who are really dedicated, and which are the ones who will jump at the chance of fame or recognition if all it took was some smoke and mirror tampering? Cause lets face it, I’m sure we all have or soon will come into contact with those few groups who will be like that now that the paranormal field has been thrust into “Hollywood’s” eye.

It’s hard to say, but I’d like to think that the paranormal community will someday be more accepting of each other.

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