Wow – I haven’t seen that many lies in one statement EVER.

First of all, we ASKED her about a staging crew, stating it was something we had heard. That’s what you do in an interview – you ASK QUESTIONS. We in no way talked her into a corner. Donna is a big girl and she answered the things she wanted to and didn’t answer the things she didn’t want to. Period. We asked her several times if there were things she didn’t want to talk about and she said there were no limits. As with any guest, if there is something they don’t want to talk about, we DON’T talk about it.

Regardless of what Jason thinks or states here, we actually spend, let’s see, about zero “time” on them. We make a few cracks every now and then but if people actually read our blogs or listened to the show, we have said MANY NICE things about the TAPS members.

As for the “trash” – um, think about this for a minute. We are not the ones putting anything out there – we’re merely talking about WHAT’S ALREADY OUT THERE. We don’t make this crap up – we just talk about it. We are not the source of any of it.

As for people claiming we have threatened them with bodily harm – that is nothing but malicious lies to perpetuate this ridiculous hate campaign that some ignorant people have going on. We have never threatened anyone and I would welcome any evidence otherwise. Please – show me where this has ever occurred.

Jesus, people, stop drinking the Kool-Aid and think about some of these asinine accusations. Ron, I don’t know what your issue is other than you’re bitter because you didn’t get the “scoop” and because Donna asked you to drop it. Jason, seriously, why don’t you man up and find out the facts for yourself rather than listening to a bunch of trash talk from people that have no idea what they’re talking about.

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Jason, Kyrstin, Britt and Donna have all commented here in the past, I do believe that is because you treat them with respect, they are not obligated to come here yet they do and IMO that says volumes about this website and the way it is run

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Tammy, thank you for taking time to visit our site. It’s addicting!

In regards to the bodily harm: NO one said you personally …it was stated a cohort of yours threatened me (and he did apologize later) with bodily harm. I have the original email Tammy.

Yes, Donna is a big girl and she is responsible for her actions. Looking back on the interview – Donna was too quick to point fingers and too quick to disengage. You mention the staging crew? Maybe YOU should elaborate and enlighten us with the evidence.

You state you spend zero time on TAPS; however, your next sentence is contradictory to the first.

Regardless of what Jason thinks or states here, we actually spend, let’s see, about zero “time” on them. We make a few cracks every now and then but if people actually read our blogs or listened to the show…

I appreciate the civility.

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Exactly. Attack the evidence and not the person (s). In my opinion, many are jealous. The only people who have the right to attack TAPS personally are those who personally know the members.

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I for one am happy that Jason has finally come forward to say that nothing is faked on the show. After over a year’s worth of controversy with no one from TAPS, Ghost Hunters or Pilgrim Films having the guts to step forward and flat out state that nothing on this show is faked, it’s about time someone finally says something definitive.

But the question is…..do we believe him? I have never been present for a TAPS investigation so I can never claim beyond a shadow of a doubt that TAPS or the production company actively fake evidence. However, I have seen some evidence over the past two seasons that make me question their authenticity (the thermal catch at the first Ft. Delaware investigation comes to mind, not to mention this disasterous last live show). I do have first-hand experience and knowledge that these types of shows DO use creative editing techniques to distort the truth, misrepresent the facts and create drama (I’m looking right at you Paranormal State). I’ve also recently learned a few things that I can’t openly discuss, but have made me boiling mad at the producers of the GH franchise.

It is for these reasons that I feel these ghost shows are now doing more harm than good to the paranormal community. In the early years I feel everything was more genuine and the evidence presented was real. Now I feel these evil production companies are out to create nothing but false drama to boost ratings and make a buck, and they are damaging our reputations in the process.

Jason, I really hope you and your team are holding on to your values and not succumbing to the pressures of these Hollywood nimrods to manipulate the truth for ratings. I don’t know you and have never met you, so if you tell me nothing is faked I will respect that. But if I see evidence presented on the show that I feel is questionable I will respectfully speak out. I only hope that you are able to provide a response to explain the situation.

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@admin:
For a bunch of people who spend zero time on us, it is strange they take the time to post their comments on my myspace page in numerous areas. I post a new blog, they post their comment and link in it, etc etc. Seems that we are what they spend all their time on.
Nothing personal towards you personally Tammy, but these statements I have made here regarding “The Divas” and their actions are true.
Numerous people have proof to back up these claims.
From Ron and the threats he was sent from one of your members, to a lady two days ago who sent me an email from another one of your members making threats.
My position is not to put anyone else in harms way because I expose what has been said to them.
As for me listening to trash talk from people who know nothing about what they are stating, Should you not be looking in the mirror when you make that statement? Or for the very least let your listeners know about the lack of knowledge you and the “Divas” have on the topic you are speaking about on your program?
I am not getting into a typing battle here with you, or anyone. That is not what this site or me coming to this site is about.
I wish you all the best with whatever road you chose for the “Divas”. I only hope it is a positive path for the field.
Jason

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I want to see the evidence of any one of us threatening someone with physical harm. That is an utter fabrication.
Everything we’ve said has been said publicly, we have nothing to hide, so this “proof to back it up” is lame and simply doesn’t even exist. We are not at all what you think we are and it’s pretty sad that you would just run with the comments of some disenchanted people rather than learn that for yourself.
We would be glad to present the other side of the story if you’re willing.
Spend all our time on? That is just silly.
We do not talk about anything without being aware of the facts surrounding it. It’s not always pretty, but it’s always truthful. People don’t always like it and that’s fine, but we can go to bed at night knowing that we tell the truth.
I am surprised that considering people hold you so high, Jason, that you would choose to listen to stupid gossip rather than finding out the truth.

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@Jason H: Great comment Jason and sorry Ron but I gotta say this too, Jay maybe when GH is over with one day you can help Ron moderate here, you seem to have the tact, jk LOL

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@ Jason,

If this is really you Jason, I’ll say this:
I was a fan of the show, and watched every episode, to include the 2008 Live Halloween Show. After seeing the stunt that Grant attempted to pull off (jacket tug), I turned Ghost Hunters off permanently, and have not watched any episodes since. I was completely disappointed, and thanks to Ghost Hunters, I’m 100% skeptical of the paranormal. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

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@Tammy:
Your comment that you and yours do not make threats is strange since we have this and other emails to back up our statements.

“I would watch my actions my friend. There are bigger mouths than yours and I will give you one f****** day to do what is right and correct your actions giving credit where due before I come down on your head.
-Reap Sow
look me up before you act”

This person is one of your members.
So again please know what you are stating before you make untrue statements. I have other emails, some directly to “Ghost Diva” members in other states that have had similar threats for standing up for “TAPS”.
You all work off of scaring people into submission.
This is not a place for bashing, but if its a place for the truth then please explain these.

Jason

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Tammy,

Below is the email that I received. I removed this person’s email because I do not want him to receive hate mail as I did! Tonya is aware for the email for I have her response too. I will make this CLEAR – Reap did apologize for the email and I have that email saved too. I have nothing against REAP – after a few emails he seems to be a decent person; however, next time I would think before threats are made.

from Reap
to info@scifake.com
date Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:23 AM
subject fair warning
signed-by yahoo.com

hide details Nov 14 (6 days ago)

I would watch my actions my friend. There are bigger mouths than yours and I will give you one fucking day to do what is right and correct your actions giving credit where due before I come down on your head.
-Reap Sow
look me up before you act

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@paraskep:
LMAO, thanks Paraskep.
I am just trying to keep it honest. If people are going to make claims then please by all means be able to back them up. From stating GH and TAPS is faking things to claiming they do not threaten people.

Jason

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First of all, Reap is not a Ghost Diva. We do not control him or even know what he is up to most of the time.

Secondly, those are not threats of physical violence as you state. They are simply saying someone has a bigger mouth than Ron and that he will be a pain in the ass. It is very clear he means with words. Seriously??? Come on, guys.

As for one of us making threats to physically harm people, it’s not true. Other “members”? That doesn’t even make sense. There are five of us and that’s it. We don’t care if people stand up for TAPS, heck, there have been times WE have stood up for TAPS, Jason, but clearly you’ve missed that.

Submission??? That’s insane. Submitting to what??? You’re just reaching now.

Are you going to be a grown up and discuss this with us or not? I’ve been nothing but civil here and you are continuing with your weak attempts to paint pictures that don’t exist.

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Jason, I doubt admin will let this comment stand, but here goes. Yes, let’s talk about scaring people into submission.I met you at the first Stanley event (even got a photo to prove it..I think I still have it somewhere on my website as a matter of fact)You, especially, were very kind and humble..Mingling with the fans and asking if everyone was having a good time. AND when everyone fawned over you, you explained that you would not be where you were at if not for your fans. I admired you having done that…Fast forward..Last Christmas..I was a member of a dear friends group LVPI and had been for several years (long before you were on TV and long before LVPI became a Taps family member..So last Christmas he informs me that Britt called him and told him to either dump me from the LVPI group or lose his Taps family membership..Reason? I (and other Divas) had questioned Taps and “talked negative” about you
So my friend was scared into submission. He called me in tears and dumped me..Ironically, up until then I was effectively a member of a Taps family group and a Ghost Diva..I saw no conflict of interest in that anymore than I see conflict of interest in questioning our friends when they say or do foolish things. And by the way Ron, I am not a clodhopper.

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not a weak picture here those threats are as clear as day to anyone that can read-

you can call it harmless but from what I hear the authorities did not

so run along now and get back to your busy e blog

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Yes, the reality is: can I as a viewer provide absolute proof that certain items in the show are fake? No. Do I believe certain items are fake? Yes, based on what I can see.

Unless we are actually there, we won’t be able to prove without a doubt that fakery is going on. Until that happens, it’s all up for debate and each side will take its position.

If Jason and Grant are in fact reading this site, then I hope they will (and I suspect they do) put themselves in our shoes for a moment and consider how they might react to some of the evidence presented on their show (ie, as if they were watching another group and not themselves).

Until someone actually comes forward to a credible medium with solid proof of falsified or rigged evidence, then GH can continue to enjoy the view from the top. Hopefully, they are being honest. For myself based on what I can see and the common sense I was born with, I remain deeply skeptical about and highly suspicious of the show. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a stand-off.

Thanks for your time. Ironically, I would never go near a para-tv show even if I had the chance, so I guess I will never find out for sure! VR

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Ratings are a very fun thing. It seems as though we have forgotten about them with this article. Mr. Hawes is a star of a television show where he gets paid. That is how he makes a living, how he feeds his children, how he supports his livelihood. It is the same thing that we all do… we get up, go to work, make a living, etc. Although I do find some of the shows “evidence” questionable, I do commend them for making the scientific end of the paranormal more mainstream and they do educate people. Like I said, I do find some of it questionable, I do commend them for some things and wish them well.
But this “Divas” crap… Most radio shows out there are free. There is no paycheck involved. They seem to WANT to do it for their 15 minutes of fame… free of charge, not generating income for your family. Now, this is just my opinion but when they bring on Para Celebs like Donna, they know their ratings will go up. They are not creating income to feed children. They are not educating the public about the field. Instead of asking questions like “What instrument do you prefer to use while investigating, and why?” they ask “How did you fake stuff?”. THAT is for ratings alone.
Although I may not agree with Mr. Hawes and the show all the time, I do have to commend him. I have my own paranormal group and I do post what we feel is evidence for people to analyze and come up with their own conclusions. I welcome their thoughts and opinions. It is called constructive criticism. Personally, it makes me work harder. So for Mr. Hawes posting what he feels is evidence on a weekly basis on TV, that shows he has a set of balls (excuse the vulgarity). As for the “Divas”, I hope your ratings for your PERSONAL GAIN is worthwhile. I didn’t see anything positive come from that show, just some more “ratings” for you.

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Janice,

Your comment will stand for NO one dictates to me what can and cannot be approved. Actually, Jason has NEVER asked me to remove a comment. Maybe Hawes will address your concern (s) because the question is civil. IMO.

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@Tammy:
Tammy, we wish you the best in whatever endeavor you all chose.
I stated that earlier and truly meant it.
I have nothing to hide and am more then willing to talk about things people have questions about in regards to the show.
I have come here to Scifake and answered questions proving “I am not nor ever running from questions”.
I just refuse to even communicate with the “Divas” or even allow them to be any means of me getting any word out.
Their actions have been poor. Many groups from many states have come forward with issues they have had with them.
From threats, to attacks and so forth.
I refuse to put out names of these people for two reasons.

#1 They specifically asked me to keep their names out in fear of what may happen due to past threats and attacks.

#2 The “Divas” will some how turn the whole thing around.

I hope things change within the Divas, and then maybe we can have a civilized conversation.
Best wishes.

Jason

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Thank you Ron.

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@Jason H:

Remember …Tammy is part of the Divas. BUT, she may not be as harsh as Reap and Tonya. She just wrote me a civil email and it is appreciated and refreshing.

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So here you are, making accusations and refusing to back them up. I see how this works.

Ratings? I can honestly tell you I don’t even know what the ratings are. As was stated, we gain nothing from the show. We do it because we like to talk to people in the field about what’s going on and contrary to what you would like people to think, there are people that like to listen to it. Nothing more and nothing less. Why don’t we ask things like ‘what’s your favorite instrument to investigate with’? Because that’s boring and everyone else does it. That’s all.

Jason, the fact that you refuse to speak with us like an adult and refuse to back up accusations that you have made publicly that we are criminals speaks volumes. “The Divas will turn the whole thing around” pretty much equates to “The Divas will tell you the truth and our claim won’t be as interesting as I would like you to think.”

Seriously – we are all grown women with careers and families. Do you really – deep down in your heart – think we are threatening people? That is just crazy.

Just because we curse a lot and we call people out when we think they’re being shady does not mean we are some vicious horrid people. The truth doesn’t always come wrapped in pretty pink boxes with big bows. Being truthful does not equal being mean and sadly, too many people equate the two.

Jason, I really thought you might be a bigger person that wouldn’t buy into the BS lies and would at least make an effort to see for yourself.

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@Tammy:

Tammy, the email is there! Reap is part of your show and he made the threats. Com’on Tammy.

How can you say he’s not being an adult? He won’t give you the email and should not for it would violate trust.

I wrote to you and said I received an email from a woman too who is a victim of the Diva’s harassing her.

You (the Divas) send out an army of trolls and these trolls are ruthless dim-witted human beings looking to only stir up trouble.

Let’s step back, get some air and communicate in professional manner.

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Reap did not make any physical threats. Not one. We do not control him nor are we always privy to emails he sends people. I am not denying he sent you that, I am, however, using reason and can see that it was not a threat of physical violence.

Jason has made accusations of a criminal nature yet he refuses to back them up. I thought he was about being honest – that’s what he says, anyway. I’m not asking him to print it here, but I do think we are owed the courtesy of knowing the contents.

I also answered your email, Ron, and I can tell you we have never, ever, threatened anyone. EVER.

We DO NOT send out an army of trolls – now you’re just being silly. We have tons of readers and listeners and we don’t control a one of them any more than you control your readers. Nothing that doesn’t come directly from me, Tonya, Tonya K, Janice, or Amanda should be representative of the Ghost Divas, period.

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[...] Hawes was gracious enough to show up to SciFake.com and answer some questions concerning the recent debacle involving Donna LaCroix.  Here’s his [...]

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Okay I am new to this site so please forgive me if I overstate the obvious. I have been following this whole story since the Donna interview. It started out as an interesting story. True or not true? Like Jason stated previously, people will believe what they want. At this point I have to agree with Jason about the “Divas”. Ladies I just looked at your Twitter and facebook pages. Every post I saw from today was directed at Jason. That does look like you spend a great deal of time on Jason and TAPS. In all of this Jason is the one who comes across acting as an adult.

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I have to wonder what an average Joe off the streets would think if they took a sneak peek into the paranormal world online. I am beginning to think that the online community is what is making the field a joke now, not the tv shows. What they would see is the blog wars, and forums where people get so caught up in he said, she said discussions and personal bashing that the real issues that should be important to the field are lost in the shuffle. When you see what a tug of war it can be between different groups and different people it makes you want to run for cover. It gets especially tough when there is a personal animosity between groups and they can’t be objective anymore. I have been called ignorant, and many other things because I refuse to take sides in arguments where I am not privy to all the information. Usually I find these arguments aren’t my business anyways and have been told too many times just to stay out of the argument so I do. What I am saying is that none of us know the whole story here. And to tell you the truth I think it is time to move on. If and when Donna or anyone else wants to come out with damning evidence of fraud then I guess the conversation should resume. That is just my opinion. But it should resume with the thought in mind that on the other side of your comments, someone is reading them, someone that is a mother, a daughter, a sister, a brother, etc.

The Ghost Divas are real women with real lives, families and jobs outside of what they do online. The only thing that could drive someone to do as much as they do is an immense love for this field. Do I always agree with their methods? No but I am not them and I am not in the situation. They get conversations started and I think that counts for something.

Ron, I gather your intentions to be good. The only thing I can say is this field has a habit of taking good intentions, sucking them dry, and turning them into the complete opposite of what they started as.

I really could care less if anyone agrees with what I just said. But you have to agree that when we spend this much time in online wars the people who really lose out are the ones like me, who are just looking for answers.

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Today’s updates, yeah, they are. Because he’s lying.
We don’t lie about people. Apparently Jason does.

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I find it strange that we are visiting a website where it claims to expose fraud on TV shows and in the field. But for whatever reason Ron Tebo has, he is now on TAPS’ side and is buddy buddy with them.

WHO is the hypocrite again? Ron is.
Ron, I am dissapointed. You are not an insider or informant. You are just another suck up in my opinion.

Jason, it’s also my opinion that you are nervous enough to talk to Ron Tebo, that claims to be one of the people that debunk you. Jason, I have lost all respect for you. I can’t believe the Ghost Divas little radio show is making you this nervous. I think it is showing guilt.

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Does anyone remember Moss Beach Distillery? How some TAPS fans were so angry they were making threats against the place and the cook?
Did anyone seriously believe that Jason sent those people out to cause trouble? And yet those same people are willing to believe it of the Ghost Divas.

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@Janice:

I don’t believe Jason sends TAPS fans out to behave like buffoons they are just naturals …

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@Jason H:

Jason, I would like to see all of this just under the bridge. I know you and Donna both had a endearing friendship before things got complicated with TV and so on. I really don’t think anyone here can deny that either.

I had always liked the fact from watching your earlier episodes that you and Grant would be more skeptical about what evidence it found. I still think all of this can be turned around at some point to dispel any further flaming on this subject.

I personally can see the envy on one hand and the debauchery of TV on the other. I know your intent is to only prove is disprove either way.

To this day, I have not understood the attacks from Ghost Divas or the motives that surround to continue this charade. I personally thank you for at least going forward with the TV only in the means that Paranormal is a little more accepted among the general populous. I remember having to mainly research graveyards due to the time when I started in 1978, if you even uttered the words Paranormal or any ghost research you were pretty much black balled.

I have said this in other posts in regards to the subject on Donna. I simply think that allow Hollywood sort their issues out and lets all get back to researching the Paranormal. Also, when the point of credibility comes up, I tend to laugh at that as well, merely since any evidence brought forth is laughable since no true process or equipment has been totally been debunked and considered reliable.

I hope sincerely that you, Jason simply let the ones that continue to these discrepancies eventually dull themselves out as people do tend to eventually grow tired on the ones standing on soap boxes in the middle of the town square!

My respect to you sir for coming back and making a point!

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@MarkCale:

curious mark… has he (Jasaon) replied to even ONE of your desperate seeming attempts to get his attention each and every time he posts here by kissing his ass and reminding us all of your credentials?

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MarkCale, you’ve been in this since 1978? I’ve been in it longer AND I am a Ghost Diva

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@GodOfWar:
LOL! …correct GOW!

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@Big Johnson:

I am afraid not, my response to gain information in the Paranormal from investigators alike. Rather it is TAPS or Joe’s fly by night. I can discern the information on my own terms. Just as you have to the right, to create flammatory remarks. I guess there is a true separation between real investigators and Mud slingers! But, of course generally with this fiasco of not being able to move forward, your response only validates it! Oh by the way, I have been an independent since the beginning of my research, I have only this week decided to join a Paranormal group so I may discuss my findings and share theories. I would be ecstatic if you had any intelligible responses other than the school play ground remarks.

@Janice:

Okay, I am pleased of that. When, I mentioned that I started in 1978 was not for bragging rights or I am some huge authority on the Paranormal, my response if carefully read was thanking that the fact TV has made it more accepted among the general populous for when I started you mention Paranormal or even try to explain to anyone you wind up being black balled by people and considered a Kook! Also, I would be interested in hearing your theories and findings as I would as Jason’s. Again, my intent here is to gain insight and maybe confirm my own theories. Thanks!

Just as I can say from my own investigations that activity and signs do vary from region to region.

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Tammy, lets just move on here.
The he said, she said, I cant control this person but you want to hold me responsible for every one else thing is just getting out of hand.
If your not responsible for peoples actions as you state, then stop holding me responsible for your beliefs that someone else on GH faked something.
I do not believe they faked anything, but the attacks from the Divas are claiming I am responsible if someone did..
It appears to be a one way street when it comes to the Divas.
You claim I am lying about these emails but Ron posted one, I under request of those who asked can not betray that and post others.
Like I said, this whole thing is getting old and childish.
It is doing nothing but hurting the field and it should just be washed away.
I have come here to post, and from time to time I will do that. I will answer questions when asked in a positive manner. The ones who can not do that will get no answers.

Markcale:
I agree, this should all go away.
Donna retracted her statements.
She had her issues with production. Somehow it boiled over and TAPS was dragged into this mess.
She has asked for it to go away and I respect that.
I have never asked anyone to take any of it down and have responded to show I am not hiding anything.
Now to move on.

Jason

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These claims of fake this or fake that are silly. I watched the show where Grant was “faking” a tug..I didn’t see any faking. I would love some hard core proof. But Noooooo, Instead we get arm chair boobs attacking everyone and offering nothing good in return. Oh 2 things, not a big fan of Jason or Grant’s TV persona, but still enjoy their show. And go Sooners!

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Donna did not retract her statements. We have emails to the contrary.

I see how this works – you can lie publicly and not back up the accusations you make. That’s called Libel by the way and it’s illegal to lie about people in an effort to defame them.

The email Ron posted was not a physical threat.

Nice way to sidestep the whole issue, Jason.

Carry on.

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@Ienpu:

I’m not going to dissect this one because I like the expression: “arm chair boobs” LOL

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Without the clever editing, goofy sound effects, stupid meters and obvious fakery these “paranormal” shows would fold like a cheap tent and everyone who produces them knows that.

It’s all about the ratings, and without the above trickery the shows would be boring, suck and be canceled in short time.

A proper paranormal investigation should not be filmed for TV. That is a joke at best. All of the crew, cameramen, lighting, etc running around – give me a break. Anyone of them could be pulling some sort of fakery without the others knowing.

Any honest paranormal investigator conducting a proper investigation knows that.

Please stop trying to justify TAPS are conducting proper investigations for TV. I’m not saying TAPS does not conduct proper investigations that are not filmed for TV, however ANY of their investigations filmed for TV are TAINTED.

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@Jason H:

One thing I can say for you – at least you speak what you think and man up instead of hiding.

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I am new to this site but after reading all of the comments I have to respond. I was a huge fan of TAPS from the very first day. I always liked the show because Jason and Grant held themselves up to very high standards and was appalled that someone would think dust was an orb and consider that evidence.
When I heard that TAPS might actually be faking evidence on their show, I was sick.
Coming from a fan stand point, I do not want to see fakery. If I wanted fiction I would rent a movie.

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@Tammy:

Granted you can point out in your view that the statements were not retracted, but when clearly on this site the request of Ron Tebo to remove the information is clearly retracting. Now, if Ron decided to not oblige and keep the statements it still wouldn’t make a difference as he still has the request to take down the information. So, I am really having a hard time with your logic on that standpoint. If, anything was ever faked then it will eventually become known from the source, everyone tends to fall in love with the ever so proverbial 15 minutes of fame B.S.!

In another sense, this is not about you, Divas or TAPS, it is about credibility. So far (Jason H) the accused has come forth with his side, without guns a blazing from any production lawyers or sorts. I will have to admit the first thing I did was come across movie dan’s youtube post and then decided to listen to the broadcast. Yes, you are within your constitutional right to talk about what ever you want on your show. But, in the same relevance any parties accused also has the right to come forth and state theirs as well. Which is evidently done.

Maybe, one day the Divas and TAPS can become drinking buddies metaphorically speaking. I would only hope that the Divas can extend the courtesy of respecting the statements. I mean if your affiliation desires to carry the true Diva meaning in being belligerent, scandalous, and will draw attention by any means of self gratification, then that would only tend to bring my opinion that you tend to discredit anyone but yourself.

I hope to see more of paranormal investigators visiting Scifake, Known and unknown, to work together to bring forth the best evidence on this field.

Tammy, my response is not to cause any offense in all honesty but, I am really seeing the lack of civil debate here.

I would like to thank Ron for this thread, so far this has been the most entertaining one yet. I hope to see civil debates in the mere future though!

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@Regina:

I watch the show, time to time. Mostly by using the on demand function from the cable company.

My bigger gripe is not what Jason does, but some of their long time members do. Steve Gonsalves and Dave Tango, try to coax activity by tapping out the tune of Shave and a haircut six bits is not exactly I would consider a real brainy move much less to say the lack of thought in conducting a serious investigation.

But, I do not point the blame on Jason, I point it at the two that did it. Just like any thing that has a group, it is very hard to get any group to keep focused and with intent that this is to be a scientific standpoint not sitting at Mom’s playing parlor tricks.

Just Jason believes nothing was faked, then we have to accept that. The burden of proof is still Grant’s. Jason can only speak on his behalf! So, I do not actually view TAPS all together as being fake, I view some members being questionable on their practices!

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@Regina:

Some fans want to believe SO badly that they
regress into an almost infantile denial …

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@Jason H:

JH said:
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Markcale:
I agree, this should all go away.
Donna retracted her statements.
She had her issues with production. Somehow it boiled over and TAPS was dragged into this mess.
She has asked for it to go away and I respect that.
I have never asked anyone to take any of it down and have responded to show I am not hiding anything.
Now to move on.

Jason ”

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Hey he acknowledged you!!!!!
are you excited????

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@Zandig

You make an excellent point. To many unknowns with a horde of people wandering around doing Gods know what. It’s first and foremost about making money through entertaining the viewers at home who have the attention span of a Arctic butterfly. Which is to say..none lasting more then 8 and a 1/2 minutes.

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Jason,

why stoop to this level? this whole comment thread strikes me as being totally infantile.

I dont know anything about this radio show saga as I am from New Zealand but do know that resonding in such a heated forum does no one any favours. Might the answer be to demonstrate credibility and thus remove any doubts?

Can I suggest that GH puts each shows evidence online for viewers to review, which will go a long way towards demonstrating some degreeof transparency. Let viewers decide and rise above this purile online finger pointing exercise.

For the record I find you and the TAPS team to be sincerely committed to making the paranormal accessible and really hope you keep on keeping on.

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@Big Johnson:

What is there to say? He agreed with my statement, actually anyone would agree to drop the whole thing and move on.

I guess you must classify yourself some how on this thread by validating my previous response to your flaming. Obviously, showing you lack skills for civility.

I did come to gain information not engage with shenanigans, in your desperation. Honestly, do you have any real intelligible or even civil debate qualities?

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No it just turns me on when you say “intelligible”

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Do you seriously think Jason would admit to faking evidence? Can you imagine what that would do to the fans of GH. Not to mention how betrayed people would feel who have been to their events and paid those ridiculous prices.
I listened to the Divas interview and to me there was no “blindsiding” going on. They simply asked questions. I really wish people would figure out that GH is a t.v. show. Its simply for entertainment.

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Wow. Take a deep breath, everyone. 50 responses later, and nothing accomplished!

The bottom line is that, unless anyone has any verifiable evidence that would stand up in court (and unless that person actually brings it to a credible medium or court), mere accusations are getting nowhere. And, as Eastwick (rightly, I think) points out, all this bickering is making things worse. Yes, what would a newbie coming across this site looking for constructive debate say?

To quote Dodgeball, I think they would say that all this back-and-forth (which includes my own post above) is ‘like watching a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob’. It’s really not getting anyone anywhere and is entirely unproductive.

If GH are faking evidence, like I myself believe they are (based on what I can see), then it will come back around to haunt them in the end. For now, REAL and verifiable evidence is needed to prove it. Otherwise, not a further bit or byte should be wasted on endless argumentation.

I mean no disrespect to anyone by the ‘retard’ quote, but I thought it was funny (especially as it includes myself, as I posted above too). VR

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Jason you still have not answered my earlier question about being scared into submission..Were you aware that Britt Griffith heavy handed LVPI into dumping me OR losing official Taps family status? Is this standard procedure?

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@Janice:

He’ll tel you to “ask Brit” (sorry I couldn’t resist)

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Jason H said:
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I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim, They want to write something up and release it. We have nothing to hide so I am comfortable with that.”

“Sorry Ron, been sick the last couple days. I have not spoken to Syfy due to this, but since Donna made a statement here I am not sure they would need to post anything.”

I suppose this means there will not be any response from Syfy or Pilgrim since Donna’s comments were taken down and the subject has been changed to the “Ghost Divas”. Reminds me of a promised explanation of the faked Manson episode tempature readings which also never happened.

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@Janice:

That is truly disturbing if it is true.

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@Eastwick..Oh it is true alright..I also have emails and posted about it on Myspace blog when it occurred.

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These “divas”are nothing more then bullies and trouble makers,now look as those “things” try to ride Jason’s coat tails to pick at him and get the five seconds of fame…they are the most disgusting people on this earth what comes around goes around.How sad to see your attempts to gain some kind of Celebrity.Wow, shame on you all so desperate for attention.Your wives and mothers? Those poor men and children,I will pray for them.Find better things to do with your time and stop being jealous of the fact you dont have a show that makes money and the fame that comes with it.You all go on with your sad lives and crawl back under the rock you came out from under..ewww no wonder this world is so messed up people like those “divas” running around in it.

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If Jason Hawes was investigating all these places and did or did not see paranormal evidence, I couldn’t believe him anyway. If he cannot see what Grant did as faked, anything he investigates isn’t worth much. Think about it. My ten-year-old knew “it” was fake. Thus, she’d make a better investigator than Jason. If that was anyone else but a good friend he’d be calling foul. He was mad on that one show when the owners were trying to fake them out. He felt he was wasting his time. Well, I have a lot of hours I want back wasting my time watching GH. Like someone else said, if I wanted fiction, I’d rent a movie or read a book, that is clearly labled such!

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@Ienpu:

Anyone with decent eyesight can see that Grant was causing the collar tug. I’m not saying Jason was in on it or knew about it,but Grant seems to always be at the center of something MAJOR happening to them.I have been investigating for over 8 years and I have never ever seen the K-2 act like it does on this show. Well I did once,but that was because my partner was joking around with me by pushing his walkie mic button in another room when I asked a question.That just goes to show how easy it is to fake off camera….Any good investigator will tell you the same thing. this stuff hardly ever happens during a real investigation…did you ever wonder why all of the good activity really only happens to J and G?

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@Mr Excitement
All I’m saying is I want hard core proof, Not arm chair wannbe’s (Boobs) who are ether jealous or just bored, throwing around the word ‘Fake’ like it was the Holy Grail.

I just want proof..that is all. Not angry rants or name calling or what ever. And since I didn’t see Grant faking anything, I have to side with GH. Till I get my proof.

Now I’m not saying shady things don’t happen on that show,or other shows, but I’m not saying they do.

Cough up some proof or move on. Simple as that.

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@Big Johnson:

Big Johnson, my girlfriend Coco is turned on when I use Intelligible. Thanks! LMAO!

Now, with that all said and done. No more from my court, my drama plate is full from all of the petty bickering. Jason good luck maybe one day, would be nice to have a civil open communication without this kind of drama.

Have fun, I am going back to the forums in hopes to get some stimulating conversation and possible insight!

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@GodOfWar: the same can be said for skeptics, sadly

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@Janice:
Well I guess we know why Britt didn’t know there were Sex offenders in the TAPS family groups. He was too busy screening them for Ghost Divas.

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@Ronald McDouchebag:
“the same can be said for skeptics, sadly ”
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I know of a skeptic that fits this quite well lets just call him U&R…;)

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@GodOfWar:

“He’ll tel you to “ask Brit” (sorry I couldn’t resist) ”
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I did-l-do that one time, he answered actually and I thought… even if we disagreed about the subject at the time, at least he made more effort and he did not wine about peoples answers..got to give Brit that…;)

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O.K. I ran through this post like a hurdler, leaping over one comment & comeback after another. It’s childish.

Why does Jay care? He’s worth 52 bajillion (in paranormal dollars). WAIT? Does that mean it’s FAKE money. HAHAHAHAHA!
See what I mean. Now J can defend himself & I can make another comment. POINTLESS.

It’s not paranormnal. It’s a TV show ABOUT
paranormal activity. As long as it’s on “TV,” it will always be ABOUT entertainment.

The ssue is not faked evidence. It’s misleading a homeowner or business. But I’m sure Pilgrim has that covered like a shadowy figure behind a pool table.

ANYWAY…

Diva’s & TAPS should just do a show together called Diva Hunters and won’t you all be surprised when Joe Chin turns out to be the biggest Diva of them all!

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If I look up at the sky and see it’s blue, but someone tells me it’s red, who do I believe? I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but it doesn’t take much to see that something is faked. It’s almost frightening to me that so many sheeple will drink the Kool-aid, simply because “a nice guy” says to. How in God’s name can you not see that Grant is always the one that the astounding paranormal activity occurs around. Am I on a different planet?

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I have an idea. How about we spend our energy sending emails, texts, IM’S, (whatever) to the major news networks and directing them to the YouTube video of the Donna confession? The more they get bombarded with the revelation, the more they are likely to mention it on the news networks. Once the exposure is national, we’ll see how long it takes for Jason and Grant piss in their pants.

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@scifried:

yeah he’s laughing all the way to the bank i agree …

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@TIMEBANDIT:

yes it’s always about jealousy …

And I thought American Idol fans were inane …

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@Ronald McDouchebag:

Good point.

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Lynn One
Jason knows damn well that Grant was faking that collar pull. Grant being unavailable allows Jason to dodge answering truthfully and pretend he is above it all. Maybe he can let everyone know what he thinks about the moon river ghost with the sack on his head or the ghostly coat hangar flying across the room. If this was on most haunted I bet these two would be laughing their ass off at the absurdity of it all.
They will continue to take advantage of anyone gullible enough to pay for one of their speaking engagements,or maybe even take a ghost class or visit their ‘ghostly haunted inn” that I am sure is quite scary because they uncovered all of that credible evidence on their show.

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The collar tug is old and the more we talk about it the more attention it brings to the show. I think Grant should have the courage to come here and address it; however, he knows it’s beating a dead horse. Seriously, what’s he going to say? “Yeah, okay, you got me.” He won’t and J has said along …ask Grant.

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“you got me” would at leat be an honest answer.
I will try to refrain on commenting about the collar tug, and I can assure you I do not want any extra attention brought to the gh show.

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I spoke with a qualified reporter/producer (and friend) who produces a WELL KNOWN show out of NYC that reaches millions. She tells me the story (as it is NOW) is NOT news worthy! Sorry to burst the bubble …but no respected reporter (no disrespect to Dan) is interested in Dan’s video bashing TAPS! The views are dismal and the video really gravitates mostly idiots who found an accepted venue to bash Taps.

Jason and Grant already pissed their pants on South Park …so pissing their pants is irrelevant and redundant.

Dan is only bringing MORE positive attention to TAPS! I’m beginning to think Dan is a paid endorser of Taps. Think about it? He (and others) bashes Taps and Jason tells me the ratings get stronger. If you’re going to bash …bash the evidence and NOT the people. It’s infantile to make it personal.

Trust me, the media is NOT interested in rhetoric and Dan is well aware.

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I know the collar pull is getting old. But, even Donna in her “retraction,” and I use that word lightly, didn’t retract that. It’s not only the collar pull, but most of the extreme activity on the show, which puts all their findings in question. The coat hanger? Come on, who are we kidding? If we are to forget all of this, then what is the use of these forums? Aren’t we to call into question the fakery and dishonesty? What are we to mention? The fact these people are laughing all the way to the bank while innocent people are scammed? If Grant is so innocent and all the paranormal activity that occured around him really was paranormal, why isn’t he yelling from the tree tops? I know I would be. I’d be calling every major news station. It was caught on film for God’s sake. If Grant is saying it was his mik cord, then why was he “pulled back.” A simple answer to a simple question. If they are experts, why, in debunking the Myrtles lamp pull, they didn’t notice that the cord of the lamp was behind something and then for an unexplained reason, it was pulled towards Grant? That the tablecloth was different? It’s absurd that they think they are experts. I feel sorry for the true experts out there really helping families.

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@lynn ones:
True experts? There are no such thing in this field.

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It all boils down to the contradiction of the very existance of The TAPS Family and how pervasive they have become when they are obviously the LEAST qualified to be called out to a private residence simply because they are fans of a show that any astute 5 year old would find incredulous …I have no problem with the reality of this being intended as entertainment…the fans I have encountered online are no absolutely no challenge but clutter up and degrade the community for those that are progressive …

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@Eastwick:

I concur:
There are NO true experts in this field….

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I can’t help but comment on the fact that, while I appreciate that Jason took the time to come here and comment on the few things he wanted to address, he patently refuses to address the people who genuinely have questions and concerns regarding specific examples of faked evidence. I think this, more than anything else, speaks volumes about his (and TAPS) integrity and honesty.

I am a frequent poster at another skeptics website (www.skepticalviewer.com) and we are a group of extremely agreeable and intelligent skeptics who enjoy healthy debate regarding each episode, with a focus on “debunking the debunkers”. It would be refreshing if any of the TAPS team would deign to post there and address some of these issues, but I find it hard to believe that will ever happen. The gravy train rolls on as long as the die-hard believers will shell out hard earned money to stay at an inn that is stated to have a reputation of 70 to 80 years of paranormal activity, yet not one shred of evidence, other than the word of Jason and Grant, exists to prove that claim. Fans will shell out cash to rub elbows with the “foremost experts in the paranormal field”, who won’t even list their investigative credentials on their website but chide other groups for not doing the same, to the degree of making it a requirement to be a TAPS family member. Misinformed people will pay out cash for merchandise, magazines, tours, lectures and hunts by a couple of so-called “regular guys” who at this point are just phoning it in on a show that, at one point in time, really meant something to some of us fans.

So Jason, Grant and all…I think you need to realize that, if you really care about helping to advance the paranormal field and not just about lining your pockets, the time has come to step up to the plate and address the suspicious evidence that you’ve collected. Open yourselves up to some scrutiny. If you have nothing to hide, you truly have nothing to fear by outside review of your evidence. And if you have faked evidence, that admission and an apology would go a long way to restoring the respect that has been lost these last few years. Sure, you don’t OWE anyone that, but a clear conscience is the softest pillow in the world. Jason, Grant, how well are you sleeping at night since you sold your integrity?

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I watch most of these Ghost shows for entertainment, not because I think they prove or disprove Life after death or anything else. I wouldn’t go to any *insert name* Con, simply because the folks who go to these things scare me silly.

As for the Host of these shows and their TV persona’s, I don’t judge if they are nice or not..it’s TV and folks act different in front of a camera. Though I think Ryan of PS really just wants to be a Priest

Ok I do like Zack from GA, only because he’s so over the top.

But I KNOW it’s Entertainment! Maybe cause I spend so little time in my arm chair, I just don’t get upset about shows faking things. It’s a going to happen in a money making venue.

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Holy cow! I swore to not come back, but now that I have wasted 30 minutes of my life reading all of this, I feel I must address a couple of things.

Television is a business of making money. We cannot address any evidence produced on a television show as real. My goal is to make these shows start posting a disclaimer that these shows are for entertainment purposes only. I don’t think any person who has spent any amount of time at all really investigating can truly like or appreciate these shows. I certainly know I cannot. The people who started investigating because of these shows are generally misguided and do not have the first clue as to what the real purpose of gadgets and gizmos investigators are using are supposed to do, much less how to use them properly. I would refer to these investigators as the “as seen on TV investigators.” True paranormal activity is not as common as one would believe if you watch any paranormal TV show. I was just asked a couple weeks ago as to where someone could buy and EVP recorder. They thought it was a special instrument and they were willing to spend up to $100 for one. I am an honest person, but the temptation to sell my digital recorder to them was hilarious to me (of course I explained that everyone just uses standard analog and/or digital recorders).

So here is the real deal. Because of threads like these it is very clear that “paranormal investigators” will never agree on a whole as to what truly classifies as real evidence. The scientific community will never accept much of anything as real evidence because technology does not equal science. The paranormal community is as diverse as the world is and because of human nature grand scale unity will not happen.

Everyone can ask questions all day long of Jason and he will side-step and dodge the questions because he is not permitted to tell the truth about editing and secrets of the show because of contractual restrictions. We can all continue to play the he said/she said games and we will be no closer to having the truth than we were before shows like these started airing. SO what is my rambling about all of this saying? At the end of the day it all boils down to beliefs and the Ghost DIvas can sleep at night because we know we tell the truth. Jason and Grant can sleep at night because they know that they are providing entertainment and doing their jobs. The misconception is that we are jealous and we are not. We would never put a price on our integrity, as we feel others have. In the end, Jason and Grant have said if the evidence can be recreated then it should be dismissed. I have personally recreated the collargate incident; therefore it discounts their “evidence.” Everyone will choose to blindly believe in paranormal shows or they can choose to challenge any and all evidence presented regardless of the avenue. This is what we as the Ghost Divas are about and this is what we encourage. If everyone seems to miss the real intentions we have because of the brash nature we present it, then that is not our problem. We do not set out to kiss ass and we do not have any desires to become famous or be on TV. If we really wanted to be on TV, don’t you think we would be up everyone’s asses like so many others in this field are? We want to field to become better independent thinkers and we more critical thought put into research. That’s it and that’s all. There are no stupid questions and asking questions leads the way to the truth. If you disagree with this, that’s your choice. We really don’t care if you agree or not because we will continue to do what we do and we will do it our way.

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Lenpu said “I watch most of these Ghost shows for entertainment, not because I think they prove or disprove Life after death or anything else.”

There are so many posts like this. Yes, it is entertainment to you, but not to a lot of people out there. There is no disclaimer at the beginning of these shows stating it is purely for entertainment purposes and there needs to be. They need to admit they are actors recreating what paranormal activity could look like. Not that it IS paranormal activity.

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I think Obama needs to invite TAPS and the Divas over to the White House for a beer summit. That’s the solution for everything these days.

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@Ghost Diva Amanda:

I’m curious as to what qualifies you to pontificate on the frequency of paranormal activity referring to you statement:

“True paranormal activity is not as common as one would believe if you watch any paranormal TV show”

perhaps it less, perhaps it is more, but how do you know this as you seem to express this opinion as it is an absolute?

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@lynn ones:

First it’s Ienpu..with a *I*

Second..well I agree with you, luckily I have a IQ above that of a rock .

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@Big Johnson:

Well, most people who actually investigate will agree that no one gets the amount of evidence as the TV shows. I did not mean to make my opinion seem absolute, but based on the majority of true investigators I have had the pleasure of discussing this very issue with over the years via blogs and forums is the basis of my analysis. True investigators can go months and years without getting a whole lot of anything to classify as evidence. That is the basis of my statement. If you are getting good “evidence” every time you investigate, I would urge that person to better critically analyze their data, because I would bet it can be explained away the majority of the time, which means it is no longer paranormal. When GH originally began, they said their purpose was to debunk the purported paranormal evidence. Now their mission seems to be to present more paranormal activity than anyone else. Most people agree their mission has changed. All of this together is the basis of my statement.

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lets extrapolate here… if all paranormal tv shows started running disclaimers what would really change? Visiting the usa amazes me at much a litigation culture can dumb down a society. Now you want yet another disclaimer? Might I suggest that you divas get off your high horses and accept that people can and will use common sense to make their own minds up. this debate is as pointless as it is stupid.

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what really bothers me over this whole issue is that no matter what happens….it’s always going to be a “i am right and you are wrong” issue. imo, i have investigated months with no tangible evidence….and then have one night that had so much evidence it took days to go over. if donna is being truthful…i am happy she stood up for her beliefs. if she is lying, i think it’s a very bad move to get yourself into deeper debt you claim to be in by the possibility of having to defend yourself in court if you were in breach of contract with doing the interview. i think both parties should move on…and if TAPS is faking evidence…don’t worry…one day we will know..cause after all the millions of dollars are made…and merchandising is still chiseled in place….and the fading of GH as a cultural phenom is over…no one will care if it comes out. it will be “oh, i always knew they were full of it, this just confirms it”, or it will be “wow i never knew…entertaining though”

I personally do not watch GH or GHI or GHA

nor any other paranormal investigation programming on television…..closest i get is destination truth when josh hits up a haunted location

My question to the “divas” and to Mr. Hawes would be, Don’t you both think that discussing this in a public forum is damaging your credibility a little bit? Honest question…not being a smart alec…i appreciate the public defense of either side in this….but aren’t some things just best left to be settled privately?

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Can we close this post? WHO CARES. Who cares what someone says about you or you about them.
It’s like a kid’s playground.He said & she said & I hate you, well I hate you more, and you’re a jerk, oh yeah,well you’re an even bigger jerk and you’re fat too. yeah you are a big fat jerk and on & on &…
NO ONE CARES.
The more you attack each other the better it IS for GH. While you’re pulling each other’s hair out, Grant is pulling your chain!
Stick to the issue.TAPS without question, FABRICATES.
Use the forum to prove it and stop attacking each other.
Otherwise rename the forum CryMate.

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@SCIFRIED:

He does not “yank our chains” …
now the fans of GH, well that’s another story…

“Crymate”? …how long did it take a witty guy like yourself to come up with that zinger?

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@pat:
I’m not a Diva, but thanks anyway. You can count me in as dumbed down in the USA, because for the first three years I believed the evidence they found was real. Now I found out it wasn’t. Grant and Jay come across as “Joe sixback, regular, blue collar plumbers, and they play that to the hilt. I guess what you’re saying is that it’s okay to say that you’re on the up and up and nothing on the show is faked, even though it obviously is. I can only agree with you, I should have used my common sense, but they pulled the wool over my eyes. They got me. They scammed me. One is born every minute and I was the one. I don’t believe any of these shows anymore, and for that I’m thankful to GH.
ps. It’s not so hard to be a little nicer in your comments. Insulting other posters only belittles you.

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@lynn ones: i have to agree with that….if it’s faked…it’s entertainment..millions watch it….and none of them should ever be believed. if they get data it’s fine, but with a production company….and film editing going on, i just don’t buy the “evidence”. it works for them and they profit on it and it doesn’t hurt me in any way, so yay for them

and being civil shows your intelligence and ability to “agree to disagree”

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If true paranormal activity happened as frequently as portrayed on TAPS on any of the other paid entertainment shows, the shows wouldn’t exist in the first place because half of us would be quite comfy at home hanging out with our own personal ghosts and wouldn’t need to turn the TV on to see it.
People keep yammering on and on about presenting evidence that these shows are faked. It’s easy, just…watch…the…shows! I’ve never seen more bad acting and horrible fake jobs in my life. You would think these people would at least research magicians to see how they pull off their illusions first. And if they have, they need to study better. I’ve watched TAPS since it started and have never seen any “evidence” that my gut instinct didn’t laugh at. Despite that, I love the show for entertainment value and having a chance to see places that I will likely never visit. Anyone TAPS fan with half a brain will have noticed that 95% of the places visited anymore are B&B’s and tourist attractions that want advertising for their BUSINESS. Now Jay & Grant and families own their very own “haunted” B&B, WOW! What a coincidence! I used to think they were doing a service to families in need by “debunking”, now I see the end result is not helping people, but by being fabulously bad magicians. After looking over this site and checking out the Ghost Divas sites when I came across this childish BS, I see that the ladies of GD are simply pointing out the obvious and are getting shouted down for it because no one from TAPS or their ass-kissing brainwashed fans wants their money bubble to burst. Who can blame them, they now have a family business that will go down in flames if the truth gets out that they have never exposed real evidence of paranormal activity. As someone said, there are no real qualified paranormal investigators with legitmate credentials and there is no real proof of paranormal activity but there IS plenty of real proof of faked activity when you turn on your TV. Kudos to GD for telling the truth and standing up for themselves and those that whine about them look like total idiots.
Disclaimer: I am not a “Ghost Diva” or a TAPS member, I am not a paranormal investigator nor belong to any group, I am simply a person with an interest in LEARNING real information about this subject, lol!

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Jason Hawes has given a total non-response. When will he answer questions about Collargate? How can he possibly look anyone in the eye and say that TAPS does not stage its evidence when WE’VE ALREADY SEEN IT HAPPEN LIVE! Donna had the courage to blow the lid on the show. But instead of treating her story with journalistic integrity — i.e. supporting a whistleblower on the biggest paranormal scandal of the year — she’s being pilloried and her story is getting buried behind all the sniping. I wish SciFake would find its true voice and become an actual journalism outlet.

Every time Hawes maintains TAPS’s innocence, he is insulting our intelligence. We know fakery when we see it. And we see it a lot on Ghost Hunters lately. (Hey, TAPS, do you guys have an extra doily tablecloth somewhere?)

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Noname,

While you’re on the subject of fakery, maybe we should discuss your name and email address? You’re equally guilty!

How many times can one ask the same question about Collargate? Should I waterboard Jason or drive nails under his fingernails until he talks?

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“do not have the first clue as to what the real purpose of gadgets and gizmos investigators are using are supposed to do, much less how to use them properly.”

That is because nobody has bothered to find out that:

IR thermometers can’t measure ambient temperatures.

Thermal cameras are use by firefighters to see solid objects in smokey buildings. Ghosts are not solid and it was Grant in/on the locker.

Statues on tables can make shadows.

“shave and a haircut”
Jason and Grant used that knock to contact a ghost that died before the knock became popular. Is there a ghost school course called “How to Contact Ghost Hunters for Dummies?”.

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LMAO! Love it!

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@admin:
YES!!!!!

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@VictoriaHelene:

heh heh heh …

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Whether TAPs fakes evidence is open for debate but the Ghost Divas aren’t helping themselves by posting in this thread. So immature. The email Ron and Jason posted is clearly a threat made by a representative of Ghost Divas. Ghost Divas are bullies who are desperate for attention. If you presented your “evidence” of fakery somewhat objectively… you’d actually be more effective.

@ExtremeParanormal. LOL at your screen name. Interesting that you’re a champion against paranormal fakery when Extreme Paranormal is the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever seen on tv.

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First of all those “divas” are a bunch of angry nasty chicks looking for attention nothing more nothing less.The fact that jason even responded to them must have made them so happy.People who have dealt with them know they have nothing to offer the world.The information they give is only how they see things they love to pick on and make fun of everyone who they have on the list of the day.So now they are back to riding the collar thing again come on get a life.So in closing I am so glad this all died down those chicks do not deserve the attention maybe if they actually did something other then blogs of hate they would get somewhere in this world (doubt it) but with a new year coming maybe they will turn over a new leaf and help people insted of hurting them hey ya never know…

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I’m pretty bummed about this. I’ve been a taps fan since it came to tv. I’ve always been interested in the paranormal because of incidents I have been through. I’ve been following this soap opera and came to the conclusion that I’m no longer going to watch taps. Sorry, Jason and Grant. If you are faking evidence I can see why. Take all the money you can get while the gettin’s good. You have families to take care of. So I guess I can’t be angry. I’m just kinda sad about it. I’ve gone to bat for you guys. I’ve been teased about watching your show. Now I feel like a bonehead. But this is life.
With all that I have said I hope that you guys potentially making a mockery of the paranormal world is worth it.

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Keep the evidence clean and keep the debating clean-simple formula.

Now see what this has become a ‘he said’ ‘she said’ vicious circle with no end in site. This petty bickering really makes the paranormal community look good huh?!

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@IMHO:

“I see that the ladies of GD are simply pointing out the obvious and are getting shouted down for it because no one from TAPS or their ass-kissing brainwashed fans wants their money bubble to burst.”

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One of the best reply’s I have ever seen from a TAPs fan who seems to know the difference of entertainment and reality. and the fact that its all about the money…

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Hey I noticed that the admin at certain sputtering forum that has always been a staunch TAPS supporter is now expressing anti TAPS sentiments and making statements like:

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quote silly forum admin:
” So sorry Jason and Grant if your reading this…but you are suppose to be icons, you are suppose to be true to the paranormal research…and this happens.
I’m sorry…but I have lost all respect for them”
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translation: they HOPE they are reading that (probably not)…
they are also inking to this site knowing that the para celebs are active here and they are SO jealous that they are even turning on their heroes thinking that might get J&G to comment in that silly forum like they do here as a result LOL …

MY GOD HOW PATHETIC …

*I’ll understand if you chop this Ron, but I couldn’t resist had to mentioning it …

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What r u rambling about?

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@admin:

it’s encrypted …

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@admin:

I thought I would explain since GodOfWar never explains himself…
It’s a very low traffic forum that hopes for some kind of relevance like that of Sci-Fake, LOL
They used to be avid TAPs supporters and now they are so desperate for attention they have jumped the sinking TAPs ship …like all good rats do…

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@Aanica:

I seldom explain myself or proofread my posts…

In a nutshell; an administrator in another forum turned against TAPS hoping Jason would post there like he does here …

isn’t it ironic how a forum that would ban members for posting an anti TAPS thread until recently are now are speaking out against them after learning that occasionally Jason H. posts here? … she even wrote: “if you are reading this Jason and Grant” in the same post she linked a quote from Sci-fake …nothing like wearing your soul on your sleeve K.O. …

sorry back on topic ..

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Send me an email of this site!

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@admin:
on its way…

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Do what I do when I dont like something. I switch the channel.

I guess I dont understand why Jason or Grant or anyone for that matter has to explain anything to anyone.

I mean come on who are we? Were “nobodys” were just average “Joe Blow” watching a TV program where at times questions things on what we see from time to time on TV. So what?!
Do you explain yourself to every Tom,Dick and Harry you run into in your daily lives when they question you?

I sure don’t. I dont care what they think about me. They are no one to me I dont need to jusitfy myslef to them. Only person I have to explain anything to is my mom and dad and thats because they bred me I came from her loins.

Cripe everyone is saying how they faked this and lied about that and upset about that.
I mean did someone get hurt or loose their house or savings from all this?

If you want to be mad at something really worth while. Get mad at Congress for freakin coruption going on at Capital Hill and thats right in front of our faces. Talk about fraud there!

Cripe It’s a freakin TV show! If you dont like what a show is doing dont watch the thing. Change the channel!

Like te4h show Paranormal State anyone that has a little common sense and halfway intelligence knows just watchig it it’s BS! I’m not even a “ghosthunter and I knew what a joke the show was just by watching it a few times. Guess what, I dont watch it anymore.

For those who believe its true so be it. Doesnt matter there will always be people who will believe in things no matter what you tell them or show them. Cant save the world.

Its TV its called entertainment

*getting of my soapbox now”

Delta

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AMEN Delta well said**KUDOS to you!!

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@Deltafour1212:

Wow nobody has ever suggested switching the channel before…what a unique and original comment!

switching the channel does not eliminate the TAPS Family wannabe teams running around doing irreparable damage in the private sector and cluttering up the online community with insufferable and inane rhetoric about comically useless gadgetry and laughable pseudo scientific methodology…these shows diminish the credibility of the community as a whole …and those of us that take it seriously and not simply as entertainment find it offensive and insulting…

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Here’s an innovative idea:

If you don’t like sci-Fake switch sites

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A soapbox cool my turn now to stand on one

wow change the channel, gotta love that one too, never thought of it, until now ha-ha thanks for the idea, now I can turn off the Disney channel, when my girls leave Hanna Montana on- and all this time I thought I was powerless – gee thanks

get mad at other things?? , how does
anyone know just what I am working with
congress for changes on,
long comments of how wrong we are about things at Sci fake, really won’t change
anyones opinion –

If you don’t like what we do here, then as GodOfWar states simply switch sites
cause I don’t think Ron will change what this page is about because of one post

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@Deltafour1212: Switching channels is the same as burying ones head in the sand. The “If I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist mentality.” It seems to me, the people on this site, and similar ones, are the people who stand up and say what is right and wrong, whether it be to congress or my kids school, or my councilman, without the easy way of “switching channels.”

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Jason, you say that GH has never faked any evidence.

I say, your show has never shown any evidence of anything paranormal. At all. Not once. (Don’t feel bad, neither have any of the other ones)

Where’s the line between “fake” and “pretend”? You let a production company edit and control the outcome of your show. Why? For money, of course.

Simple Fact: there is NO IRREFUTABLE PROOF of paranormal activity on your show or any other one; no video evidence, no audio evidence. Lots of “I felt this!” and “RUN FOREST RUN – I mean RUN DUDE RUN” but no actual evidence.

Your show is a sham.

I do like the ghost divas – they are very entertaining and they do not shy away from telling it like it is.

For some reason Paranormal TV shows very much DO shy away from telling it like it is — as evidenced by this whole “donnagate” fiasco.

Skeptic and cynic that I am, I’m not convinced that all of this was not just some sort of publicity stunt.

You know, like the publicity stunts paranormal TV shows have to pull regularly to keep their ratings.

@delta – If you’d like examples of where the irresponsibly propogated belief in the paranormal causes harm, do a google search – maybe start with the albinos in Tanzania.

These ‘paranormal’ TV shows are setting science back by leaps and bounds.

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Skeptic Said @ ExtremeParanormal: LOL at your screen name. Interesting that you’re a champion against paranormal fakery when Extreme Paranormal is the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever seen on tv.

@ Skeptic…….I’m glad you noticed me giving homage to the stupidest paranormal show to ever grace my TV screen. (Thank God I don’t have HiDef TV). Fortunately for me, Ghost Hunters and their “collargate” incident……..I don’t believe in the paranormal anymore, so I certainly didn’t have to question the legitimacy of Extreme Paranormal. I knew it was uber fake besides it being uber dumb.

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You people don’t get it do you. This is all damage control.

Donna doesn’t want to get sued. She said she is financially ruined, ect., ect..

Donna did say she “saw” something that rocked her world enough that she cried for days. Whether this was someone faking, who knows. She didn’t elaborate.

Anyway, it is as simple as that. Hawes is covering his rear and Donna is doing the same thing for different reasons. It is so obvious.

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@Sandman:

what leads you to believe that we “just don’t get it?”…

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And lastly, who thinks what the Ghost Hunters do is scientific? Really? Maybe pseudoscience but not scientific by a long shot. I am still waiting for a show that follows the Scientific Method in either disproving or proving claims. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid people and stop making these people rich. God, they are making a mockery of the paranormal not furthering it.

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@Godofwar

Maybe you did “get it”. From most of the comments I did read, a lot didn’t.

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@Sandman:

fair enough …

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Either way I am seeing a wavering in loyalty among even the most devout of the TAPS oriented teams/sites … granted; some are just following the trends, one is even forming a “Family” of their own consisting of a network of other like minded, clueless rubes that consider themselves vastly superior to all of the other TAPS wannabe teams out there…

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Ghost Hunters is a TV show, and we all watch hoping to see something “real”.

Unfortunately – I would bet money – the real investigations are extremely boring, with hours of the normal and nothing paranormal at all.

So given that – who would watch investigations full of “normal”… might last a couple of shows before being canceled.

So yes there is some theatrics added in – as well as production company editing of scenes. Why is that somehow a mystery revealed? I might even go so far as to bet the production company pushes the limits and attempts to “get away” with some trickery to spice up the filming. The goal of the show, the team and the hope of the audience is that something “real” will happen, and that you stay entertained during all the time in between.

My only hope is that the intent is real, and not all faked for the pursuit of money – which at least at the start of the show seemed to be true.

Money makes the world go round – and probably allows off screen investigations to happen with better equipment. No offense to the rooter but SyFy pays better I imagine.

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@GodOfWar:
Amen God-of-War,

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“switching the channel does not eliminate the TAPS Family wannabe teams running around doing irreparable damage in the private sector and cluttering up the online community with insufferable and inane rhetoric about comically useless gadgetry and laughable pseudo scientific methodology”

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“those of us that take it seriously and not simply as entertainment find it offensive and insulting”

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When the general public realizes that we do not accept TAPS as the final word of what is acceptable as paranormal and what is not, Then REAL progress can be made. TAPS has contributed NOTHING …except making buffoons the normal perception of a paranormal investigator to anyone looking in.

Minx…

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I doubt Jason will respond to any more questions about Donna or anything else for awhile since he made his post on the Syfy forums by saying:
“As Donna mentioned in her response on multiple sites, there never has been and never will be a “staging” crew on Ghost Hunters, and nor is anything, at any moment of any investigation, staged in any way. Each episode documents the work & methods that TAPS uses in every investigation, whether it’s for the show or a private case.” But one does not need the claims from Donna or “the collar tug”, “the hanger toss”, “the moving lamp cord at the Myrtles”, “the sneaker wearing apparition at ESP”,……..because no matter how suspicious these events seem there is no hard proof. There is hard proof however to say that parts of the Manson Murders episode were staged,whether it be by the prodution company or whoever Jason says in his statement; “nor is anything, at any moment of any investigation, staged in any way. Each episode documents the work & methods that TAPS uses in every investigation, whether it’s for the show or a private case.” So why was the suspicious footage removed from the DVD and reruns of the episode? When questioned about this episode he said he would look into it and have a response, well its been almost 3yrs and no response, everyone seems to just have forgotten about it and he is hoping the same will happen with the Donna incident. http://paranormal.darkrealmlabs.com/?page_id=302

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I always enjoyed watching GH, but I quit watching it regularly when they expanded to GHI. Now they’ve got this GH “Academy” thing, which turns a “reality” TV show into a “contest” TV show, and I’m just wondering what other “spin-offs” we’ll be subjected to. Answer: as many as people are willing to watch. Apparently, the fact that very little reliable evidence of the “paranormal” has ever been obtained, people are gonzo for shows like GH.

Actually, I wish there really was an academy for paranormal research. What this field urgently needs is an objective methodology, without which all investigations are just too subjectively biased. People who want to enjoy paranormal “experiences” vicariously watch horror movies and read ghost stories. A truly scientific investigation of the paranormal should do more than just dramatize the search itself.

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@admin:

“How many times can one ask the same question about Collargate? Should I waterboard Jason or drive nails under his fingernails until he talks?”

Can we do that? Let me check the Patriot Act

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Hey People,
Guess what? I’m the newbie to this site and guess what else? After reading all this back and forth bickering and bashing one another, it DOES look like “a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob”! OMG! Really? People are argueing and whatnot? I never in my life heard of these “Ghost Divas” but the name pretty much sums up what I learned from reading their posts. Diva’s is right. The one “Diva” came across as a bully, very arguementative and angry. Sorry, that’s what it comes across as. Which brings me to the other “Diva”…to quote “If everyone seems to miss the real intentions we have because of the brash nature we present it, then that is not our problem.” I gather she didn’t think that one through. If your the one presenting something in such a manner as to cause people to not understand your real intentions, then you WOULD be directly to blame….everyone else understands this, right? Oh, I’ve stooped to picking apart others’ mistakes. See what this nonsense will do to a person? As the Newbie, I am NOT impressed, but astonished that all this crap is actually getting people all upset to the point where they sound like kids on a playground. It IS possible to debate something without getting rude or all childish about it! Come on people!

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@Sweet1:

For a newbie you sure seem argumentative and angry.

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Those “Divas” are bullies,they get pleasure from pain.They have foul mouths the list is endless.Sorry but the blame for all this trash is them!Nothing more then a bunch of gossip lovin cyber bullies.They love drama and trouble they feed off it,thats how they get the attention,kinda like a child who does bad things to get mom and dads attention even if its negative.Poor things therapy may help or meds.Now that Jason gave an answer to a question they are all over it it’s attention for them,nothing more nothing less.

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Well, I must say that regardless if anything was faked or not, everyone tends to forget the one thing that is a fact. It’s television! Entertainment to entertain the masses. My mother always taught me to never believe everything you see on television. Just look at other popular reality shows. They are all staged and scripted. This is no pun intended to TAPS because I am a fan, but why should this reality show be different from the others? What entitles them to not add a little bang for the buck? Also, think about their motto. They put it out there for skeptics and believers alike to discuss and debate. If it is staged, I actually feel bad for the TAPS members, because I can gaurantee SciFi took control of the situation to boost ratings. I know it is TAPS choice in the end. But, I can tell you, regardless of what is really going on, I know that it’s entertainment and I will continue to enjoy the show no matter what.

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@Chris: That’s exactly my point. If we were to watch a regular investigation, I can gaurantee no one would continue to tune it because I would be boring. Just watching a bunch of people hanging out in the dark, possible catching evidence every once in a while.
I also want to say I can see where MINX is coming from. I could see this being an insult to the rest of the paranormal community. Keep in mind though that just because TAPS may have ‘beefed up’ the investigations, doesn’t make all investigators out there less credible. There will always be believers and there always will be skeptics. Just thank your lucky stars your not the one in any of the TAPS members shoes. I know I certainly wouldn’t want to be! Think of how long they have been investigating before this show was even thought of. If they decided to please SciFi for ratings, then that destroys their credibility. Although it’s ultimately their choice, sometimes when confronted with a dilemna of “do this or your show is cancelled”, a person might not think of the long-term consequence or make the right decision. To tell you the truth, i’m torn on this. Part of me says “well it’s television. This is showbiz, get used to it”, but the other half is disappointed because TAPS has prided themselves in debunking and honesty. The one thing that does break my heart, my son’s reaction to some footage that “proved” it fake. He is crushed because he sees Jason, Grant and Steve has role models. He adores them and has a large interest in the paranormal. The footage that he now knows is possibly fake was his favorite footage. But, this is a lesson learned. You can’t believe everything on television. To do so would be complete lunacy! It would be just as absurd as believing that all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were real.

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Criss Angel states that he too does no trickery…what you see is what you get…..one continuous shot….and real “spectators”.
Im sure that the believers of this garbage also would state that Criss Angel is really floating and getting cut in half week after week.

Just because someone states something..does not mean it is true. What you see and think you know is almost always what did not actually happen.

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And…
I think Jasons statements are entirely false. Donna redacted her story due to the negativity she brought on herself legally and socially. In no way did the Divas seem to coax her into anything. They asked the questions and Donna answered them. Whether she likes it or not, her admitting to fakery will supercede any comments she makes now to try to stop it.

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Can’t say I really ever cared for the Ghost Diva’s. Not that I ever paid much attention to them. The only “Paranormal Blog” that I tend to actually pay attention to really is Who Forted.

I also was informed that while they tended to be quick to cry foul on the likes of Paranormal State and Ghost Hunters, they were remarkably quiet about Extreme Paranormal.

But then for all I know they could have recently come out and cried foul, but at the time they were relatively quiet on it. It was almost as if they thought that pointing a finger at anyone who they believe are hoaxers took more precedent then crying foul on something that could hurt the general image of Paranormal Investigation itself.

If that is the case, then they are just as harmful to everyone here’s favorite hobby as the shows that they piss and moan about.

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Note: I am no way trying to instigate or say anything about the Ghost Divas, for all I know the information could very well be false. I am only pointing out my opinion on the situation as it was provided to me.

No offense meant whatsoever ladies and more power too you if you are being honest in the above comments.

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@Matt Sullivan: Yes Criss Angel does show continuous shots.But he as said many times that he is an Illusionist. I know there are people that believe he is magic. But he’s not jesus. And I think most people know that.

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[...] hunters academy”. Just when it looked like the trainwreck couldn’t get any deeper, Jason responds outside of the safe harbors of pilgrim films and scifi forums on scifake.com. It’s gotten so [...]

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*Looks at the Ghost Diva’s website and laughs at some of the lengthy comments about ‘taking responsibility and whatnot*

Seriously, doesn’t anyone else think they should really practice what they preach? I just started here today *Waves hi to everyone* and after about 2 hours of reading through just THIS alone, I had noticed that all Tammy did was bash!

@ Jason H: It’s good to hear that you don’t fake anything on the show, however there are always going to be skeptics because they/we are not there and in fact have to view it through a camera, so what goes on behind the camera is what most of us think about (The what-iffers, which I do on occasion).

@ Others: It’s always good to keep an open mind, as it may not be the GH/GHI crew that does things, but maybe a mishap of the camera crew.

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@PsiPup:

PsiPup said:
“@ Others: It’s always good to keep an open mind, as it may not be the GH/GHI crew that does things, but maybe a mishap of the camera crew.”
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Hello
That is a valid point but has also discussed extensively here but there is just way too much pointing at a practice intentional deception employed at GH/TAPS …this of course is based largely on the show footage itself and not on a thorough knowledge of this team beyond that from my personal perspective…I am always interested in what those that continue to support TAPS have to say on the matter …

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@GodOfWar:

someone needs proofread his posts….

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Firstly, I just stumbled on the site and I can’t believe what I have read on this forum. It is petty and vicious. It seems to me that there is a really bad case of professional jealousy going on here – and it is not coming from Jason H.

In New Zealand we only have the same 2 seasons of Ghost Hunters shown over and over again – our cable network are too cheap to purchase more seasons. We also have other international and local paranormal shows on air. And I must say that Ghost Hunters is my favourite. I don’t care if it is real or not – it is just good value!

When are people going to stop believing everything they hear, read and see in the commercial media. And when will they stop taking everything so personally when our favourite celebrity gets caught or is accused of something that does not meet our expectations of them! They are only human! Let’s face it – TV is TV – what we are watching on the ‘box’ is not happening directly to us the viewers! So we will never know if it is real or not – this is what gives these types of shows their edge and sense of mystery!

I for one hope that TAPS survives this (for want of a better word) crap! And I hope that the cable people here purchase more seasons!

Thats my 2 cents worth

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@Kiwi Kate:

Jealousy?… NO

A desire to establish a new sensibility regarding TAPS/GH being categorized as strictly entertainment and not under any circumstance construed as legitimate paranormal investigation in an earnest effort to circumvent further irrevocable damage to the community?… YES

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Its funny when this site first started it was all about exposing fakes.Now we seem to be defending the frauds.This may seem off topic but the owner of this site needs to stop losing touch with what his original intentions were when creating it.

Why are you becoming buddy buddy with these taps guys why are we listening to them we have seen the so called evidence.Watched recreations of how this so called proof was faked.We have better explanations than ghosts.

In the end remember everything we have learned here.You made a dent in the shows armor.You exposed there lies to the world.Now there taking you and your site and playing you.This is the slow progress into oblivion.Its like the little weasel kid in the schoolyard they will befriend you only to use you.Avoid these taps people and there lies and lets get back to what you do best here.

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Alex, I appreciate the comments! I’m not defending them and I will certainly be happy to expose the evidence if you have something for me.

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Wow everyone, especially the Admins, Jason and Tammy..thanks for the free entertainment..

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Wheweeee!! Intense. Here’s my 2 cents.
I would have to agree that the back and forth bickering between Jason and the Diva’s did nothing for anyone’s credibility.

Here is what I heard:
1. Jason never said that the production company is not staging.. he said that TAPS is not staging or faking. I believe him.
And, I agree that TAPS has to be mindful of their contracts regarding divulging “trade” secrets. Jen’s comments about SciFi probably are true.
I also think Jason took advantage of the purported “threats” to discredit the Diva’s.
I didn’t hear a physical threat there. I heard a big mouth saying he’d be even louder.
And being a member does not mean he speaks for them. For that matter, I believe Donna was a TAPS member at one time!

2. To the Diva’s. I heard your interview, and it did NOT seem as though you were cornering Donna. She seemed quite casual albeit passionate.
However… when exchanging commentary with Jason, some of you did indeed lack the needed email etiquette in order to keep the dialog productive. There is a “bitterness” to what you posted, whether you were or not doesn’t matter. It came across that way, and took away from your message.

A pissing match never accomplishes anything.
A more thoughtful and professional approach would have put you in a better light.

You know the old addage about bees and honey. That being said..Keep looking for the truth.

#3… And most importantly… I really enjoy these shows!
Do I wonder why it is we never see the big dark thingy they do? Yes. It’s the same on every paranormal show. The ghostie is always just out of sight. Or it’s too blurry to make out. And the EVP’s.. jeez.. it didn’t sound like that to me!! It sounded more like, “Mmmfrinible”.

We’d all like to see all of those shows remain untainted, especially those of you who don’t have production companies following you around. You take it very seriously and it’s part of your life.

Perhaps a disclaimer of some sort would be in order. If there is some creative license happening, that admission would certainly give Jason and Grant the opportunity to refocus on their shows originality. You have to admit, they really opened up the genre for all of us.

All in all, both groups..GH / GD.. are doing what they love to do. Why bash each other? If you want to keep it credible.. you have to keep it civil…on both sides.
GH,PS,GA,GD… you all have a contibution to make. Technology is causing a huge evolution… You all have a place in it.
BOO!

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@Zebra:

They opened up a new genre of dopes running around with silly, useless gadgets an team T-shirts…

Jason was treated with complete courtesy by the core posters here and got huffy when he got backed into a corner with questions he couldn’t answer as he always does when I’m involved …

The fact that you believe they don’t stage supernatural seeming activity “because he(Jason)said so” doesn’t do much for your credibility when the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming(imho)…

and welcome to Sci-Fake btw

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Well Mr GodOfWar.. you sure know everything.
If you were paying attention, you might have gleaned that I was refering to the semantics of Jason’s comments.
Tearing everyone down who doesn’t want to hang those guys like you do show’s your credibility.

One last thing… GH doesn’t owe you or anyone else anything. Whether you like it or not, they brought attention to the possibility that maybe there really are ghosts Virginia, and all that implies. You may not like the avenue they took, but they got there.
And, “core posters”? You’re kidding right?

I think maybe Eastwick’s first post was right on.

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@Zebra:

Why would you assume that I was “kidding” when I referred to “core posters?” …of course when you have very little to work with, I suppose tossing in a diversionary comment at the end of an inane reply is what we have come to expect from G.H. fans and members alike …no they dont owe me or anyone an explanation but when they come to this site to defend their farce of a show that they attempt to pass off as legitimate research with painfully obvious hoaxes, comically ridiculous and inadequate hand held gadgets based on vague, pseudo science, then over-react with exaggerated faux victimization claims, overtly defensive posturing and utterly paranoid seeming evasive answers to polite questions and concerns we have as to how this will ultimately damage the paranormal community by lessening the credulity of legitimate researcher and inundating the field with clueless TAPS wannabe teams often doing MUCH more damage than good when naive, private residences are involved…then YES, I think we certainly have a legitimate objection to voice …

Plus to be completely honest, fans of these shows tend to be the biggest morons in the community and if I see one more site with a photo full of obese rednecks in front of an abandoned building with matching T-shirts, festooned with EMF meters and crappy IR cameras I will surely go postal …they have turned something I love into a JOKE and most of them are motivated by some absurd notion that they will be the next team to land that coveted A&E or SyFy contract and often attempt to achieve this by assassinating the character or competence of other TAPS emulating teams or criticizing the submitted possible evidence of other teams on forums when a quick Google search will often lead to a gallery full of similar photos or EVPs the critical team member lambasting in a forum elsewhere …

and what on earth does this mean?

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“Whether you like it or not, they brought attention to the possibility that maybe there really are ghosts Virginia, and all that implies. You may not like the avenue they took, but they got there.”
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sorry, you lost me there sport..

btw yes I know everything but the user-name “Captain Omnipotent” was already taken

-GodOfWar-

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